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    Can't say this was surprising considering US interests in Central Asia, and it's good that planners on the NSC have no desire of seeing Afghanistan fall to the wayside after the bulk of US troops are withdrawn years from now.

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    The US and Afghanistan have reached a deal on a long-delayed strategic partnership agreement that assures the Afghan people their key American ally will not abandon the country militarily or financially for years after 2014, the deadline for most foreign forces to withdraw.

    The agreement is key to the US exit strategy in Afghanistan because it provides guidelines for any American forces who remain after the withdrawal deadline and for financial help to the impoverished country and its security forces. For the Afghan government, it is a way to show its citizens that its key allies are not just walking away.

    "Our goal is an enduring partnership with Afghanistan that strengthens Afghan sovereignty, stability and prosperity and that contributes to our shared goal of defeating al-Qaeda and its extremist affiliates," US embassy spokesman Gavin Sundwall said on Sunday. "We believe this agreement supports that goal."

    After 10 years of US-led war, Taliban and al-Qaeda-linked insurgents remain a threat and as recently as a week ago, they launched a large-scale attack on the capital, Kabul, and three other cities.

    The draft agreement was worked out and initialled by Afghan national security adviser Rangin Dadfar Spanta and US ambassador Ryan Crocker and must still be reviewed in both countries and signed afterward by the Afghan and American presidents.

    US forces have already started pulling out of Afghanistan and the majority of combat troops are scheduled to depart by the end of 2014. But the US is expected to maintain a large presence in the country for years after, including special forces, military trainers and government assistance programs.

    The agreement is both an achievement and a relief for both sides, coming after months of turmoil that seemed to put the entire alliance in peril. It shows that the two governments are still committed to working together and capable of coming to some sort of understanding.

    "The document finalised today provides a strong foundation for the security of Afghanistan, the region and the world and is a document for the development of the region," Spanta said in a statement issued by President Hamid Karzai's office.

    Neither Afghan nor US officials would comment on the details of the agreement, but it is believed to pledge a partnership for 10 years beyond the 2014 withdrawal deadline.

    Reaching any agreement is likely to be seen as a success given more than a year-and-a-half of negotiations during which the entire effort appeared in danger of falling apart multiple times.

    Since the beginning of the year, US-Afghan relations have been strained by an internet video of US Marines urinating on the corpses of presumed Taliban fighters, by Quran burnings at a US base that sparked days of deadly protests and by the alleged killing spree by a US soldier in a southern Afghan village. Tensions were further heightened by a spate of turncoat attacks by Afghan security forces on their international counterparts.

    White House National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said President Barack Obama expects to sign the document before a NATO summit in Chicago next month, meeting the deadline set by the two sides. Many had started to worry in recent weeks that Karzai and Obama would miss that goal as talked dragged on and Karzai continued to announce new demands for the document.

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    "I''ll see your insurgency and raise you military assistance."
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    they forgot to include financial compensation to the families of those massacred.... because that is what this is.... a settlement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    Can't say this was surprising considering US interests in Central Asia, and it's good that planners on the NSC have no desire of seeing Afghanistan fall to the wayside after the bulk of US troops are withdrawn years from now.

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    hahahaha it has not been so long when I warned our patriotic American marine that his Govt. is not gonna leave Afghanistan, he said no they are leaving in big numbers and he was no fan of Obama, but look who fooled you bro! Dear Obama
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    Funny enough Pakistan is using its US aid to fight a proxy war against US in Afghanistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Funny enough Pakistan is using its US aid to fight a proxy war against US in Afghanistan.
    while they are using the supply line we provide to aid insurgency against us? By the way that financial help they promised with Afghanistan is nothing but capitalist tactic to lure weak nations into their tight net, this is what they did with everyone including us. Before invasion Afghanistan was one of the few countries without any debt, now the situation would be changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Funny enough Pakistan is using its US aid to fight a proxy war against US in Afghanistan.
    Evidence for these claims?
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    Na, I don't really care be honest since even without foreign aids they would still try to kill eachothers - foreign aids just make things more fun, that is all.
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    Depends on how much the Pakistanis get to siphon off the money that the Americans are giving to the Afghanis.
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    Stimulating debate...

    This is mostly about trying to reassure foreign investment and to get governments to keep to their monetary obligations. While the US is the lightning rod, it should be noted, and then understood, that many countries simply do not want to build Afghanistan. When they leave, they should also be subject to criticism, if that is your thing. And that is regardless of whether you bought into the idea of this being a US war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarnabyJones View Post
    Stimulating debate...

    This is mostly about trying to reassure foreign investment and to get governments to keep to their monetary obligations. While the US is the lightning rod, it should be noted, and then understood, that many countries simply do not want to build Afghanistan. When they leave, they should also be subject to criticism, if that is your thing. And that is regardless of whether you bought into the idea of this being a US war.
    Exactly. Afghanistan's real future lies in business development, not the US/ Afghan military. And if the US leaves, how many dollars would ever actually flow into essentially a useless over populated mountainous, land locked desert with a population about as smart as a block of wood? We've essentially got to bribe them, them being FDI, to stay there. I heard reports about rare minerals that could be of some use, having that lack of diversity can't do anything, it can but not int he right way.

    But hey, this issue plagues that entire region, not just Afghanistan, but Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan etc etc. Stupid population, easily manipulated sitting on ground worth literally nothing. You need some umph to get those people white collar jobs and us leaving guarantees they won't get it and ultimately we fail. No wonder the West has considered them uncivilized in years past.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    Exactly. Afghanistan's real future lies in business development, not the US/ Afghan military. And if the US leaves, how many dollars would ever actually flow into essentially a useless over populated mountainous, land locked desert with a population about as smart as a block of wood? We've essentially got to bribe them, them being FDI, to stay there. I heard reports about rare minerals that could be of some use, having that lack of diversity can't do anything, it can but not int he right way.

    But hey, this issue plagues that entire region, not just Afghanistan, but Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan etc etc. Stupid population, easily manipulated sitting on ground worth literally nothing. You need some umph to get those people white collar jobs and us leaving guarantees they won't get it and ultimately we fail. No wonder the West has considered them uncivilized in years past.


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    So, we are going to be living there soon. Awesome.

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    As expected from the nobel peace president.

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    Looks like the US won't make the same mistake they did in 1989.

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    The differences in both cases are also staggering. Any country could have stepped up after the Soviets left to help build Afghanistan (something has to be built to be able to rebuild) and been pretty much in the same position as the US. We were not operating on the ground, etc. Simply providing the ISI with money and stingers which they then distributed. It is all much easier said than done.

    We take heat for it, but nobody really wants to look at the myriad aspects involved. Again, the differences now are obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Looks like the US won't make the same mistake they did in 1989.
    Which was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Luna View Post
    Which was?
    Leaving. The US completely abandoned the war-torn country in 1989. No real foreign aid or development was given to Afghanistan. It was just left there to fend for itself. Because of that the Taliban were able to come to power. If the US hadn't completely abandoned Afghanistan in the first place, this war could have been prevented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Leaving. The US completely abandoned the war-torn country in 1989. No real foreign aid or development was given to Afghanistan. It was just left there to fend for itself. Because of that the Taliban were able to come to power. If the US hadn't completely abandoned Afghanistan in the first place, this war could have been prevented.
    Our mission was never to aid in the development of afghanistan nor did we have a military presence other than a few special forces/CIA advisers in country.

    The Mujaheddin were organized to fight off a foreign invasion of afghanistan. The US muscling their way into the country would have been a mistake, especially since it would have escalated the soviet response who would have viewed it as a threat to their national security.

    We left the afghans to decide their own fate after the conflict and pakistani taliban decided to seize control. We sent alot of funds to the northern alliance to fight the taliban, but it was never our place to get involved in that region after the soviets left. To say otherwise would be to insinuate that the chinese should have become involved in Vietnam after the americans left.....oh wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Luna View Post
    Our mission was never to aid in the development of afghanistan nor did we have a military presence other than a few special forces/CIA advisers in country.
    Of course. It was just to arm a bunch of rebels and leave. And guess how that worked out? Taliban came to power who sheltered Al-Qaeda. And you know the rest of the story. This could have been avoided in the US hadn't decided that for some reason it was a great idea to give Pakistan money and weapons to arm the Mujaheddin (first mistake) then just leave the war torn country and hoped everything would work out.
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