Are there any plans to divide Islam?

[Kaiser Christoph XVIII]

But that I mean are Sunni and Shia ever going to become seprate religions its just fells wrong to have them all grouped under one banner of Islam, if this was to happen how would Oman work since it follows Ibadism?

[k/t]

Maybe that's a good argument against dividing Islam, haha.

Here's a thread that sort of mentions your question: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=527862

Let's see, we'd have Catholic, Orthodox, Sunni, Shiite, Pagan, Hindu, Heretic. I think 7 is the maximum, so it would be ok.

[AqD]

Maybe that's a good argument against dividing Islam, haha.

Here's a thread that sort of mentions your question: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=527862

Let's see, we'd have Catholic, Orthodox, Sunni, Shiite, Pagan, Hindu, Heretic. I think 7 is the maximum, so it would be ok.

Isn't Armenians' Orthodox different from Byzantine's as well?

[wudang_clown]

Yes, Islam will be divided.

And the limit is 10, not 7.

[megalitho]

Yes, Islam will be divided.

And the limit is 10, not 7.

Yep,10. 7 is the limit of cultures.

[Kaiser Christoph XVIII]

Yes, Islam will be divided.

And the limit is 10, not 7.

Thanks Wudang, will Ibadi be added for Oman or will they be put as one of the other two.

[wudang_clown]

I can't answer without revealing too much, so I'll be silent.

[Harith]

ok I know this may sound dumb.... but r u goin to include an option to recruit hashashins as a religious unit for shitte muslims only just linke in crusader kings 2??

god that sounds dumb lol

[Abul-Khair]

I would think about having Coptic Orthodox/ Monophysite but that I think would be unecessary, since it might just seperate Makuria more from the Romans.

By the way, I don't think anyone should be able to recruit Hashashin units since they were independent of basically everyone right, despite being Shiite, or whatever their sect was? What about making the Hashashins simply a script of attempted (occasionally successful, based on a simple roll of the dice) assassinations of Sunni leaders, and on very rare occasion Christian ones? maybe they could have Alamut, make it almost impossible to conquer, and they cannot expand and are set by AI to build boatloads of assassins to molest everyone on the campaign map? That way you can shmooze them and make friends, like the Templars did for some time, to avoid assassination attempts. Just some ideas.

[BIoodHunter]

I would think about having Coptic Orthodox/ Monophysite but that I think would be unecessary, since it might just seperate Makuria more from the Romans.

Coptic Orthodox are not Monophysites. We were labelled Monophysites due to a misunderstanding at the Council of Chalcedon.

[Shadibadoo]

I think they'd be great as a non-playable faction that would re-emerge when they got destroyed, sorta like how the KoJ re-merges with crusader armies. Historically, the Hishashin had forts and armies, as well as assassins.
They wouldn't function as a major player in the game's politics, but would hamper the efforts of The Ayyubids and KoJ and Rum Seljuks in conquering the Levant. I think it'd be great.

[Ichon]

A non-playable Assassins faction would be interesting. If it could be implemented well that is probably the best solution far better than player controlled faction.

Nestorianism would make more sense to me than a divide between Orthodox and Monophysite and Nestorianism probably had more adherents by 12th century where many Monophysites had switched back into the Orthodox church or converted to Islam.

[Abul-Khair]

I like the re-emerging idea! But please also consider my ideas too. Perhaps they could be combined?

For the purpose of Alliances:
Also, perhaps Nestorian/Orthodox/Catholic should be slightly friendlier to each other than to Islam, Paganism, and Hinduism. If the Mongols are Tengrist, Tengrism should be slightly friendlier to Christian religions than to Islam. Maybe Shiitism would be slightly friendlier to Christian religions than to Sunni since Sunni was their primary military rival? I'm not an expert, but I've read a few books on mongol invasions and crusades and what not.

[Julio85]

Hey guys!

What about also provide the Zoroastronian Religion in eastern Persia and India??
maybe you can add some not destroyable bildings like the temple of the fire in Yazd.
they was/are a minority very rich of the former persian religion. this kind of bildings suold provide a smalll percetenge of conversion each turn from 2 to 5 percet and provide a big increase of tradable goods.
maybe in India the indian faction both muslim and hinduist could blind some small temple of this religion in order to gain extra profit....
and this could work also for other kind of cristians faction with costrucion of islam mosque or other minirities as well as other kinds of cristianity faiths.
at that time in the all the middle east they were also jews and other small size religion but very rich.

I don't know whether what i said is impossible or not.
there is a italian mod for medieval called Bellum Crucis that already introduce this features like the two islam religion, the Nestorians, the orthodox, the Pagans, the Roman Catholic and the juidaism.

[ALFAJI]

was there any state in that time with Zoroastronian religion ?

and the second thing like wu dang said Islam will be divided to how many we will tell you about that later and you'll like it for sure our dear fans

[Julio85]

There wasn't a state with Zoroastronian religion but in both eastern Persia and India they where a lot of temples and big community that supporter that faith. In India fo exemple the Zoroastronian religion community keep going the development of the country....even now the so called Pharsi (Zoroastronians) are in their hand the economics power of the country. (Tata group)

there was u big temple in Yadz, Iran. there they provide extra profits to the city in form of taxes on tradable goods.
Zoroastronian was an economic power in that time, like the jews community in the medieval europe.
that's why I suggest to add them in Broken crescent like a small % of faith in that regions.
It is not real thAT a region has 100% sunni islam or 100% Orthodox ecc....
Shiah Islam, Jews, Monofist.... has to be present in some region in order to show the differnces and provide a more challenging game to the player that had to bild some religion bildings in order to keep his faith the faith of the majority of the population.
how many sunni Islam state there were at that time? how many Shiah Islam state there were at that time? even if the Shiah has just one state.....that kind of islam was much spread around in the middle east with mosques for their followers...even in city like Baghdad, where the were the Caliph!

[ALFAJI]

most the arabian peninsular was shia except oman which was ibadi and some parts of yemen was sunni and ween the ayubids came to yemen sunnis be came more and more

[Harith]

most the arabian peninsular was shia except oman which was ibadi and some parts of yemen was sunni and ween the ayubids came to yemen sunnis be came more and more

WHAT??!!?? since when??? I thought they were strictly orthodox Sunni Muslims.

[Ichon]

WHAT??!!?? since when??? I thought they were strictly orthodox Sunni Muslims.

I don't think 'most' is correct but for awhile many people especially in eastern Arabia were not Sunni. Fatimids sponsored some groups in southern and western portion but there were other groups which adopted something other than Sunni orthodoxy but weren't really Shia either like Ibadi and also keep in mind that in 12th century Sunni or Shia was not the same as modern in many some respects. Even today about 20% of Saudi Arabia is Shia almost all in eastern provinces and that is after centuries of being ruled by Sunni. In 12th century population of Arabia was mostly concentrated on north, south and eastern parts of peninsula. Riyadh was not that large though there were oases villages in the central regions. Al-Hasa was dominated by non-Sunni and there were some other beliefs that would be strange today to even consider being Islam that existed.

[ALFAJI]

WHAT??!!?? since when??? I thought they were strictly orthodox Sunni Muslims.

were in the 12 century ad arabia is divaided to 5 oman-bahrian(east of arabia)-hijaz-yemen-najd

oman is mostly ibadi

bahrian is shia

najd there no info about it but i will go to shia coz it was ruled from a shia family in a close time of 1174 ad and there was now Riyadh in that time.....

hijaz is ruled by a shiaian state the ashraf who were zaidi shia

yemen had most the islamic religions in that time except the imami shia but the most of them is shia


and there was no orthodox Sunnis in that time they just started to rise ween al-saud became powerful in the 18th century but the strange thing is that iran was sunni and now shia and arabia was shia and now sunni !