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    Two men have been jailed for life for the horrific killing of barman Jody Dobrowski on Clapham Common in south London in October 2005. It comes as a grim reminder to an increasingly confident gay community that the threat of homophobic violence remains one they cannot afford to ignore.

    It is not an isolated event:

    Jody's killing was one of 1,306 homophobic crimes reported to police in London last year - and one of a string of attacks on Clapham Common.
    In September 2005 a gay man survived after being garrotted with a piece of wire by an attacker on the common. Two weeks later another man was beaten unconscious.Five months after Jody's murder yet another violent attack in the same area left a gay man with severe facial injuries and a broken leg.
    The problem is by no means confined to the capital.In July 2005 a 52-year-old man suffered facial injuries after he was kicked to the ground in Southampton.In December a gay priest, the Most Reverend Dr Barry Rathbone, was attacked with a metal baseball bat in a Bournemouth park. His attacker was later jailed for two years.There has also been a series of violent attacks in Londonderry.


    Gay human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell says:

    "As many lesbians and gay men feel more comfortable about their sexuality, their increased visibility makes them vulnerable to being targeted by gay-bashing gangs...the typical attacker is young, poorly educated and unemployed, with their motivation stemming either from their religious background or from insecurity and fear about their own sexuality."

    The motives of the assailants were simple (for them):

    "We don't like poofters here and that's why we can kill him if we want".

    Officers arriving at the scene described Mr Dobrowski's face as "a bloody swollen pulp".Mr Dobrowski, who was originally from Stroud in Gloucestershire, was taken to St George's Hospital in Tooting, south London, where tests revealed he had a swollen brain, a broken nose and extensive bruising to his neck and spine as well as to his groin.
    He was so badly injured that a pathologist was unable to say how many times he had been hit but identified 33 areas of injury to his head, face, ears and neck.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5087286.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5080164.stm

    So what do you think? Are the thugs who target people about their sexuality any different then the thugs who target people about the race?

    And what about those guys?

    We believe that homosexuality is unhealthy for any community. Even so, no one wants to see homosexuals which make up less than 2% of the entire population persecuted for being what they are. That's why homosexuality was legalised. Nevertheless, the flood of homosexual propaganda to 'normalise' this tendency has been both unforeseen and corrupting. Consequently, there will be a ban on the public display and promotion of homosexuality, including in schools and in the mass media.
    The BNP would make it unlawful to promote homosexuality and return it to the closet where the law says it should be ("consenting adults in private"). My own personal view would be to recriminalise it and return to the situation as it was pre 1967.

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    well as long as there are people holding signs up saying "god hates fags" and such forth, i consider crimes like this to easily be in the same category as hate crimes ( or specifically targeting someone for their race, religion, sexuality or gender).

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    Homophobia is a virtue in our society. Anyone who disdains the immoral sexual practices of homosexuals is worthy of our praise. But sexual misconduct should not be answered with irrational violence. It should be frowned upon and discouraged. If you live in a society where sexual misconduct is a criminal act, It should be reported to the authorities. Violence is never the answer in these situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamthePope
    Homophobia is a virtue in our society. Anyone who disdains the immoral sexual practices of homosexuals is worthy of our praise. But sexual misconduct should not be answered with irrational violence. It should be frowned upon and discouraged. If you live in a society where sexual misconduct is a criminal act, It should be reported to the authorities. Violence is never the answer in these situations.
    Yeah, homosexuals definitely are evil sodomites, who will burn eternally in the lake of fire, but violence isn't the answer. Always know, they will be dealt with by a higher authority eventually!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist Peace
    Yeah, homosexuals definitely are evil sodomites, who will burn eternally in the lake of fire, but violence isn't the answer. Always know, they will be dealt with by a higher authority eventually!
    Exactly. I forget which level of Hell sodomites burn in. The fourth one maybe. There's always repentance.

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    I have a feeling you were born a few(several) centuries too late.
    I've been told that. Perhaps I just see morality as something unchanged by the current metrosexual fads that promote homosexuality and bisexuality as the cool new thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamthePope
    I've been told that. Perhaps I just see morality as something unchanged by the current metrosexual fads that promote homosexuality and bisexuality as the cool new thing to do.
    Ummm... homosexuality isn't 'a cool thing to do', you don't 'do' homosexuality. It's forced upon your thinking and behavior.

    P.S.- I find this thread perturbing. This stuff happens even in England... scary stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamthePope
    Exactly. I forget which level of Hell sodomites burn in. The fourth one maybe. There's always repentance.



    I've been told that. Perhaps I just see morality as something unchanged by the current metrosexual fads that promote homosexuality and bisexuality as the cool new thing to do.
    lolol,wow, or maybe u can see things as your boy jesus probobly did and realize that we are all brothers and humans beings and that everybody deserves respect and equality, but i guess u can go on being a hypocrite as most christians are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whalenapp81
    lolol,wow, or maybe u can see things as your boy jesus probobly did and realize that we are all brothers and humans beings and that everybody deserves respect and equality, but i guess u can go on being a hypocrite as most christians are.
    I know, when will they realise how hypocritical they are? Or is it deliberate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamthePope
    Homophobia is a virtue in our society. Anyone who disdains the immoral sexual practices of homosexuals is worthy of our praise. But sexual misconduct should not be answered with irrational violence. It should be frowned upon and discouraged. If you live in a society where sexual misconduct is a criminal act, It should be reported to the authorities. Violence is never the answer in these situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamthePope
    Homophobia is a virtue in our society. Anyone who disdains the immoral sexual practices of homosexuals is worthy of our praise. But sexual misconduct should not be answered with irrational violence. It should be frowned upon and discouraged.
    But saying that it is "sexual misconduct" or "immoral sexual practices" while not being illegal encourages vigilanteism, by its nature, and people attacking homosexuals because there is (rightly) no legal authority tht will do anything on the basis of people being practicing homosexuality.
    If you live in a society where sexual misconduct is a criminal act, It should be reported to the authorities. Violence is never the answer in these situations.
    Actually it had its own law and that was reversed. Specifically so in fact, and as such it is now legal...

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    Lined up and shot. That's what I think should be done.



    To the gay-bashers, I mean. There's no excuse in forcing a law or using force to try and suppress something we don't understand. Why should it be criminalized? No one is being hurt (though there is some slight discomfort) and homosexuality is certainly not a perversion. That's been settled before, the difference between that and some perversion like bestiality.

    I'm really tired right now, so I'll try to get what I want to get across: humans cannot do this to people, make up laws and enforce them because of their own beliefs, we need to look at the world humanely, and the humane way to look at homosexuality is that nobody is being hurt, they are just trying to make a living from a life they did not choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna
    Why should it be criminalized? No one is being hurt
    Nothing but their immortal souls are being are being hurt. Sodomy laws were enacted protect the Sodomites as well as the law abiding citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamthePope
    Nothing but their immortal souls are being are being hurt. Sodomy laws were enacted protect the Sodomites as well as the law abiding citizens.

    Uhhh.... actually, I'll be honest, I truly thought you were joking earlier, and I'm still not sure if you are or not...

    Anyways, if their immortal souls are being hurt, then that's your belief, obviously not theirs. And enacting laws for this is forcing a belief and religion alien to their own beliefs and way of thinking is not right, and it is not humane. They are people, born with the homosexual gene mishap and it is not a choice, they are simply living their lives, still contributing to society, if we curb their rights, then we are curbing their ability to contribute as much to society as they could. That's my way of understanding this, so the only way to approach the issue is to approach it from the humane way, and not blind your sight with some conviction that is not even your own.

    That's what religion comes down to when you are judging as a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, etc, it blinds you, giving you convictions that are not even your own.

    Leave religion out of this, and we can find a solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamthePope
    Nothing but their immortal souls are being are being hurt.
    Not everyone believes in an "immortal soul" and not everyone believes that homosexuality is immoral or wrong. Even if it were, that wouldn't give anyone the right to murder another human being.

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    Episode two of idiot 16th century pesant come to the future! In this week's episode the peasant can't work out where the gay barbecues have gone. He even brought stake!

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    So what do you think? Are the thugs who target people about their sexuality any different then the thugs who target people about the race?
    Not at all. They're discriminating against people who were born like that and didn't choose to be like it.

    Anyone who disdains the immoral sexual practices of homosexuals is worthy of our praise.
    Yes, lets all praise homophobes because they can't see that gays didn't choose to be gay and hate them for it!

    off-topic: I was having this conversation with another group and unlike here my views were in the minority. One person said gays did choose to be gay just as he chose to be straight...

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    Does it matter is sexuality is a choice? No, in my opinion, because offensively using violence against those who you disagree with is a evil far greater then any imagined moral law can ever be.

    Episode two of idiot 16th century pesant come to the future! In this week's episode the peasant can't work out where the gay barbecues have gone. He even brought stake!
    Actually before the reformation it's generally agreed that sexuality wasn't cared about that much. It was the lustful act more than the feeling itself which was frowned upon. Just look at the Elizebethians, going around quite happily writting sonnets about chaps they fancied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God
    Not at all. They're discriminating against people who were born like that and didn't choose to be like it.
    But they can choose to remain celibate and in doing so refrain from sodomy. They have no need to hedonistically imitate sexual intercourse in a twisted fashion as procreation is impossible in such a relationship.

    Quote Originally Posted by God
    off-topic: I was having this conversation with another group and unlike here my views were in the minority. One person said gays did choose to be gay just as he chose to be straight...
    Smart freinds.

    Quote Originally Posted by the Grim Squeaker
    But saying that it is "sexual misconduct" or "immoral sexual practices" while not being illegal encourages vigilanteism, by its nature, and people attacking homosexuals because there is (rightly) no legal authority tht will do anything on the basis of people being practicing homosexuality.
    Is that an arguement for Anti-Sodomy laws?

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    Why do you consider homosexuality to be morally wrong IamthePope?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamthePope
    But they can choose to remain celibate and in doing so refrain from sodomy. They have no need to hedonistically imitate sexual intercourse in a twisted fashion as procreation is impossible in such a relationship.
    Right. And of course heterosexuals could do the same in any form odf sex other than for procreation. But they don't and we don't hear of violent attacks against people who use condoms, do we?
    Is that an arguement for Anti-Sodomy laws?
    Where did you get that idea? Its an argument that encouraging homophobia encourages violence against homosexuals....

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