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    India continues to move forward Militarily with the test of it's Agni V ICBM,

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/0...83I04020120419


    India tests long-range missile; capable of reaching China



    By Jatindra Dash
    BHUBANESWAR, India | Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:32am BST

    (Reuters) - India test-fired a long range missile capable of reaching deep into China and Europe on Thursday, thrusting the emerging Asian power into an elite club of nations with intercontinental nuclear weapons capabilities.
    A scientist at the launch site said the launch was successful, minutes after television images showed the rocket with a range of more than 5,000 km (3,100 miles) blasting through clouds from an island off India's east coast.

    "It has met all the mission objectives," S.P.Dash, director of the test range, told Reuters. "It hit the target with very good accuracy."
    The Indian-made Agni V is the crowning achievement of a now-mothballed missile programme developed primarily with a possible threat from neighbouring China in mind.
    Only the U.N. Security Council permanent members - China, France, Russia the United States and Britain - along with Israel, are believed to have such long-range weapons.
    Fast emerging as a world economic power, India is keen to play a larger role on the global stage and has long angled for a permanent seat on the Security Council. In recent years it has emerged as the world's top arms importer as it rushes to upgrade equipment for a large but outdated military.
    "It is one of the ways of signalling India's arrival on the global stage, that India deserves to be sitting at the high table," said Harsh Pant, a defence expert at King's College, London, describing the launch as a "confidence boost".
    The launch, which was flagged well in advance, has attracted none of the criticism from the West faced by hermit state North Korea for a failed bid to send up a similar rocket last week.
    But China noted the launch with disapproval.
    "The West chooses to overlook India's disregard of nuclear and missile control treaties," China's Global Times newspaper said in an editorial published before the launch, which was delayed by a day because of bad weather.
    "India should not overestimate its strength," said the paper, which is owned by the Chinese Communist Party's main mouthpiece the People's Daily.
    India has not signed the non-proliferation treaty for nuclear nations, but enjoys a de facto legitimacy for its arsenal, boosted by a landmark 2008 deal with the United States.
    On Wednesday, NATO said it did not consider India a threat. The U.S. State Department said India's non-proliferation record was "solid," while urging restraint.
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    India says its nuclear weapons programme is for deterrence only. It is close to completing a nuclear submarine that will increase its ability to launch a counter strike if it were attacked.
    India lost a brief Himalayan border war with its larger neighbour, China, in 1962 and has ever since strived to improve its defences. In recent years the government has fretted over China's enhanced military presence near the border.
    Thursday's launch may prompt a renewed push from within India's defence establishment to build a fully fledged intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) programme capable of reaching the Americas, though some of India's allies may bridle at such an ambition.
    "Policy-wise it becomes more complicated from now on, until Agni V, India really has been able to make a case about its strategic objectives, but as it moves into the ICBM frontier there'll be more questions asked," said Pant.
    The Agni V is the most advanced version of the indigenously built Agni, or Fire, series, part of a programme that started in the 1960s. Earlier versions could reach old rival Pakistan and Western China.
    "India can now deter China, it can impose maximum possible punishment if China crosses the red line," Srikanth Kondapalli, professor in Chinese studies at Delhi's Jawaharlal Nehru University told Reuters.
    The rocket is powered by easier-to-use solid rocket propellants and can be transported by road.
    I have said in the past that India cannot be far from garnering a place on the UN Security Council, tests of weapons like these and their Arihant Class SSBN nearing completion mean India is light years ahead of other comparable powers such as Brazil or Germany, also with support from the Obama Administration and their senior position within the BRICS organisation is this an upcoming reality?

    Another interesting comparison can be drawn from how India, a Dynamic Democracy has successfully tested such a technically advanced weapon while North Korea, a narrow Oligarchical Tyranny had such a spectacular failure in it's own test firing last week speaks volumes how Solon and Pericles must smile down to see Democracy triumph over Tyranny.
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    inb4 Chinese and Pakistani nationalists start jeering at India.

    Although, I can't help but giggle at China's condemnation of Indian missile testing. I mean, China's regime bends agreements at will and wheels out the sovreignty issue whenever its questioned on policy.
    And how one compares India to North Korea I don't quite know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayle View Post
    inb4 Chinese and Pakistani nationalists start jeering at India.

    Although, I can't help but giggle at China's condemnation of Indian missile testing. I mean, China's regime bends agreements at will and wheels out the sovreignty issue whenever its questioned on policy.
    And how one compares India to North Korea I don't quite know.
    Why would Pakistan have any problems with this new progress of India? They already have missiles to hit any inch of Pakistan and vice versa. This is mainly to threaten China and they already have what India is still dreaming of.
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    This is good news not just for India but all countries on China's periphery. Jai Hind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Why would Pakistan have any problems with this new progress of India? They already have missiles to hit any inch of Pakistan and vice versa. This is mainly to threaten China and they already have what India is still dreaming of.
    Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant Pakistan's military and ISI. The guys who drain the government funds to fuel their paranoia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayle View Post
    Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant Pakistan's military and ISI. The guys who drain the government funds to fuel their paranoia.
    Such guys are everywhere. US and Indian expenditure on weapons and ammo is much more than Pakistan and US and Israel war mongers have unprecedented access to Govt. funds to fuel their paranoia and to fool their people. What all of this has to do with Indian ICBM? Looks like you want a chance to bash Pakistan even if it is in irrelevant thread.
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayle View Post
    inb4 Chinese and Pakistani nationalists start jeering at India.

    Although, I can't help but giggle at China's condemnation of Indian missile testing. I mean, China's regime bends agreements at will and wheels out the sovreignty issue whenever its questioned on policy.
    And how one compares India to North Korea I don't quite know.
    lol, well perhaps they should drop their support of North Korea then?


    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    I would ask Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka whether India bullies them or not. Oh, and lets not forget the invasion of Sikkim and Goa.
    Last time I checked, Pakistan started each of its conflict with India.Bangladesh and Sri Lanka remain as sovereign states, the former's leader is quite friendly with India now.

    The Goans were under colonial rule, they were being ruled by the Portuguese government which was a dictatorship at the time.The colonial empires were disintegrating at this time, it was only a matter of time until Portugal would lose it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    Last time I checked, Pakistan started each of its conflict with India.
    You mean because how India oppress Kashmir?

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    Bangladesh and Sri Lanka remain as sovereign states, the former's leader is quite friendly with India now.
    I just remember Bangladesh government criticized how Indian BSF abused the citizens of Bangladesh early this year, and last year Sri Lanka government angry criticized how Indian government tried to fabricate untrue human right crimes against Sri Lanka. Whatever, as long as they remain sovereign states it is not counted as bully!!

    *China annex disputed borderland along India, not count as bully because India remains a sovereign state.*

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    The Goans were under colonial rule, they were being ruled by the Portuguese government which was a dictatorship at the time.The colonial empires were disintegrating at this time, it was only a matter of time until Portugal would lose it.
    So Indian military had to invade Goa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    You mean because how India oppress Kashmir?
    1948 Kashmir war started when Pathan tribesmen infiltrated the LOC between India and Pakistan, 1965 war also started due to Pakistani infiltrations as did the later 1999 war.1971 war started because of the violence which erupted between Bangladeshis and Pakistanis in 1970s which led to killing by both sides and a huge refugee crisis.The US took Pakistan's side as Nixon and Kissinger were trying to normalise relations with the PRC at that time.


    I just remember Bangladesh government criticized how Indian BSF abused the citizens of Bangladesh early this year, and last year Sri Lanka government angry criticized how Indian government tried to fabricate untrue human right crimes against Sri Lanka. Whatever, as long as they remain sovereign states it is not counted as bully!!
    In Sri Lanka, both the Sinhalese and Tamils committed atrocities.There is considerable immigration from Bangladesh to India as well as border disputes which have led to this problem

    *China annex disputed borderland along India, not count as bully because India remains a sovereign state.*
    and China ended the sovereignty of Tibet didn't it? unlike Goa, Tibet wasn't ruled by some foreign power.

    So Indian military had to invade Goa?
    Portugal was unwilling to give up its territories in India like France had done.Portugal wanted to retain all its overseas colonies which included Goa,Angola and Macau for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    and China ended the sovereignty of Tibet didn't it? unlike Goa, Tibet wasn't ruled by some foreign power.
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    yet Tibet was universally recognised as an indisputable part of China by the UN, which included the US and the soviets and all the powers, even the UK.

    In fact we've been over this before, your very own UK government recognises that Tibet is an indisputable part of China and your Indian President Manmohan Singh even harshly criticised the Free Tibet protestors at the last BRICS meeting in Delhi.

    Portugal was unwilling to give up its territories in India like France had done.Portugal wanted to retain all its overseas colonies which included Goa,Angola and Macau for example
    still doesn't excuse the invasion; it would've been like if the PLA had invaded Macau, rather than negotiated a transfer as Beijing eventually did. Delhi's aggression in this respect was rightfully condemned, even by American President John F. Kennedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    China ended the sovereignty of Tibet didn't it? unlike Goa, Tibet wasn't ruled by some foreign power.
    Tibet was ruled by Chinese dynasty since 18th Century, and the status was formly concluded by British and Chinese in 1906 (after the British expedition of Tibet).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    lol, well perhaps they should drop their support of North Korea then?




    Last time I checked, Pakistan started each of its conflict with India.Bangladesh and Sri Lanka remain as sovereign states, the former's leader is quite friendly with India now.

    The Goans were under colonial rule, they were being ruled by the Portuguese government which was a dictatorship at the time.The colonial empires were disintegrating at this time, it was only a matter of time until Portugal would lose it.
    That's a blatant lie. Planned massacre of Muslims migrating from India to Pakistan, stoppage of water to destroy our weak agricultural economy, denial to pay what sum was due to be paid and then invasion of Kashmir which was Muslim majority state and as per 1947 partition principles had to be Pakistani territory, tells different story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    1948 Kashmir war started when Pathan tribesmen infiltrated the LOC between India and Pakistan, 1965 war also started due to Pakistani infiltrations as did the later 1999 war.1971 war started because of the violence which erupted between Bangladeshis and Pakistanis in 1970s which led to killing by both sides and a huge refugee crisis.The US took Pakistan's side as Nixon and Kissinger were trying to normalise relations with the PRC at that time.




    In Sri Lanka, both the Sinhalese and Tamils committed atrocities.There is considerable immigration from Bangladesh to India as well as border disputes which have led to this problem



    and China ended the sovereignty of Tibet didn't it? unlike Goa, Tibet wasn't ruled by some foreign power.



    Portugal was unwilling to give up its territories in India like France had done.Portugal wanted to retain all its overseas colonies which included Goa,Angola and Macau for example.
    That's again nonsense, whatsoever clash we had with our citizens in East-Pakistan, Indian interference was plain aggression. Its a shame to pose as a rational thinker but post as a nationalist on these matters. In all crimes which your state committed against neighboring states, you are trying to bail her out. Sri Lanka was living hell due to your state policies, Bangladesh is facing water shortfall due to your policy of depriving neighbors from their water and every now and then your soldiers violate their sovereignty. Given all these facts, India pursuing WMDs is just the same old war mania which West has been supporting because of their hate against China.
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    There's quite a bit of Proamerican indians in India, about 24% proamerican and 4% antiamerican.

    Shouldn't the hindus be pacifists? o.O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrillology View Post
    Shouldn't the hindus be pacifists? o.O
    No, i'm not sure what makes you think that, Indians have defended their homeland against dozens of waves of barbarian invasions over the (very long) course of their history even if not always successfully. Anyway, Indian religions are not dogmatic and there are many different views therein.
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    In theory, so would Christians and Buddhists.
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    A lot of religions should be pacifists, rarely plays out that way though.

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    Religions get co-opted.
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    cue nationalistic/sinophobic dick waving

    so what if India has an ICBM, are they hoping to initiate nuclear war anytime soon? no?

    in other news, India and China continue dialogue over the sino-indian border with Indian officials acknowledging for the first time in history that they must compromise:

    not to mention the coordination within the BRICS to form a cohesive economic/geopolitical framework means any sort of conflict is the sticky white mess of audiences who want to see the implosion of two Asian countries, as if that'll somehow reverse the decline of their own nations not naming any names but it should be pretty self evident who these ppl are.

    oh and also, India and China are bristling and gearing up for bloody war on the Himalayas; why just last week an antimatter device was detonated in Mumbai killing 10000000000000000000000 Indians:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17738147
    according to the Indian General in that link, Indians stand ready to fight and die, so you don't have to.


    oh and before i forget, congratulations to the Indians
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