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    The situation and conditions of the resistance in Iraq have reached a point that requires a review of the events and of the work being done inside Iraq. Such a study is needed in order to show the best means to accomplish the required goals, especially that the forces of the National Guard have succeeded in forming an enormous shield protecting the American forces and have reduced substantially the losses that were solely suffered by the American forces. This is in addition to the role, played by the Shi'a (the leadership and masses) by supporting the occupation, working to defeat the resistance and by informing on its elements.

    As an overall picture, time has been an element in affecting negatively the forces of the occupying countries, due to the losses they sustain economically in human lives, which are increasing with time. However, here in Iraq, time is now beginning to be of service to the American forces and harmful to the resistance for the following reasons:

    1. By allowing the American forces to form the forces of the National Guard, to reinforce them and enable them to undertake military operations against the resistance.

    2. By undertaking massive arrest operations, invading regions that have an impact on the resistance, and hence causing the resistance to lose many of its elements.

    3. By undertaking a media campaign against the resistance resulting in weakening its influence inside the country and presenting its work as harmful to the population rather than being beneficial to the population.

    4. By tightening the resistance's financial outlets, restricting its moral options and by confiscating its ammunition and weapons.

    5. By creating a big division among the ranks of the resistance and jeopardizing its attack operations, it has weakened its influence and internal support of its elements, thus resulting in a decline of the resistance's assaults.

    6. By allowing an increase in the number of countries and elements supporting the occupation or at least allowing to become neutral in their stand toward us in contrast to their previous stand or refusal of the occupation.

    7. By taking advantage of the resistance's mistakes and magnifying them in order to misinform.

    Based on the above points, it became necessary that these matters should be treated one by one:

    1. To improve the image of the resistance in society, increase the number of supporters who are refusing occupation and show the clash of interest between society and the occupation and its collaborators. To use the media for spreading an effective and creative image of the resistance.

    2. To assist some of the people of the resistance to infiltrate the ranks of the National Guard in order to spy on them for the purpose of weakening the ranks of the National Guard when necessary, and to be able to use their modern weapons.

    3. To reorganize for recruiting new elements for the resistance.

    4. To establish centers and factories to produce and manufacture and improve on weapons and to produce new ones.

    5. To unify the ranks of the resistance, to prevent controversies and prejudice and to adhere to piety and follow the leadership.

    6. To create division and strife between American and other countries and among the elements disagreeing with it.

    7. To avoid mistakes that will blemish the image of the resistance and show it as the enemy of the nation.

    In general and despite the current bleak situation, we think that the best suggestions in order to get out of this crisis is to entangle the American forces into another war against another country or with another of our enemy force, that is to try and inflame the situation between American and Iraq or between America and the Shi'a in general.

    Specifically the Sistani Shi'a, since most of the support that the Americans are getting is from the Sistani Shi'a, then, there is a possibility to instill differences between them and to weaken the support line between them; in addition to the losses we can inflict on both parties. Consequently, to embroil America in another war against another enemy is the answer that we find to be the most appropriate, and to have a war through a delegate has the following benefits:

    1. To occupy the Americans by another front will allow the resistance freedom of movement and alleviate the pressure imposed on it.

    2. To dissolve the cohesion between the Americans and the Shi'a will weaken and close this front.

    3. To have a loss of trust between the Americans and the Shi'a will cause the Americans to lose many of their spies.

    4. To involve both parties, the Americans and the Shi'a, in a war that will result in both parties being losers.

    5. Thus, the Americans will be forced to ask the Sunni for help.

    6. To take advantage of some of the Shia elements that will allow the resistance to move among them.

    7. To weaken the media's side which is presenting a tarnished image of the resistance, mainly conveyed by the Shi'a.

    8. To enlarge the geographical area of the resistance movement.

    9. To provide popular support and cooperation by the people.

    The resistance fighters have learned from the result and the great benefits they reaped, when a struggle ensued between the Americans and the Army of Al-Mahdi. However, we have to notice that this trouble or this delegated war that must be ignited can be accomplished through:

    1. A war between the Shi'a and the Americans.

    2. A war between the Shi'a and the secular population (such as Ayad 'Alawi and al-Jalabi.)

    3. A war between the Shi'a and the Kurds.

    4. A war between Ahmad al-Halabi and his people and Ayad 'Alawi and his people.

    5. A war between the group of al-Hakim and the group of al-Sadr.

    6. A war between the Shi'a of Iraq and the Sunni of the Arab countries in the gulf.

    7. A war between the Americans and Iraq. We have noticed that the best of these wars to be ignited is the one between the Americans and Iran, because it will have many benefits in favor of the Sunni and the resistance, such as:

    1. Freeing the Sunni people in Iraq, who are (30 percent) of the population and under the Shi'a Rule.

    2. Drowning the Americans in another war that will engage many of their forces.

    3. The possibility of acquiring new weapons from the Iranian side, either after the fall of Iran or during the battles.

    4. To entice Iran towards helping the resistance because of its need for its help.

    5. Weakening the Shi'a supply line.

    The question remains, how to draw the Americans into fighting a war against Iran? It is not known whether American is serious in its animosity towards Iraq, because of the big support Iran is offering to America in its war in Afghanistan and in Iraq. Hence, it is necessary first to exaggerate the Iranian danger and to convince America and the west in general, of the real danger coming from Iran, and this would be done by the following:

    1. By disseminating threatening messages against American interests and the American people and attribute them to a Shi'a Iranian side.

    2. By executing operations of kidnapping hostages and implicating the Shi'a Iranian side.

    3. By advertising that Iran has chemical and nuclear weapons and is threatening the west with these weapons.

    4. By executing exploding operations in the west and accusing Iran by planting Iranian Shi'a fingerprints and evidence.

    5. By declaring the existence of a relationship between Iran and terrorist groups (as termed by the Americans).

    6. By disseminating bogus messages about confessions showing that Iran is in possession of weapons of mass destruction or that there are attempts by the Iranian intelligence to undertake terrorist operations in America and the west and against western interests.

    Let us hope for success and for God's help.
    Looks like Zarqawi was between a rock and a hard place even before he was killed.

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    Why do I get the feeling that this is American propaganda?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik
    Why do I get the feeling that this is American propaganda?
    Because it's good news? We all know that there can't be any good news coming out of Iraq, don't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Alcotroll
    Because it's good news? We all know that there can't be any good news coming out of Iraq, don't we?
    No, because I find it hard to beleive terrorists would write a neat letter summing up everything America does well in Iraq.
    Would America make a list of everything insurgents did well in Iraq?

    And why didn't they release the original (Arab?) document? why only the English translation?
    Where is the proof that the original document even exists?

    America has made up more complex propaganda about the Iraq war before.
    Like that story about that heroic rescue of a female US soldier from a Iraqi hospital during the initial invation (forgot her name).
    So I remain at least extremely sceptic.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik
    No, because I find it hard to beleive terrorists would write a neat letter summing up everything America does well in Iraq.
    Would America make a list of everything insurgents did well in Iraq?

    And why didn't they release the original (Arab?) document? why only the English translation?
    Where is the proof that the original document even exists?

    America has made up more complex propaganda about the Iraq war before.
    Like that story about that heroic rescue of a female US soldier from a Iraqi hospital during the initial invation (forgot her name).
    So I remain at least extremely sceptic.
    Exactly, there is no proof that this document was written by insurgents.
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    Why do I get the feeling that this is American propaganda?
    Its not its from the Associat Press I saw it yesterday.


    Because it's good news? We all know that there can't be any good news coming out of Iraq, don't we?
    lol that was a good reply.



    No, because I find it hard to beleive terrorists would write a neat letter summing up everything America does well in Iraq.
    Would America make a list of everything insurgents did well in Iraq?
    Yes.

    And Everything we are doing wrong. And Everything that needs to be done to fix it. Thats what this is, while Zarquawi may not have written this he propably orderd it to be written, its an analysis of they're situation, something that shouldn't be hard to believe. What do you think they are a bunch peasants with guns? Al Quiada is a very sophisticated group.

    And why didn't they release the original (Arab?) document? why only the English translation?
    Where is the proof that the original document even exists?
    They propably did release it, but can you read Arabic?

    America has made up more complex propaganda about the Iraq war before.
    Like that story about that heroic rescue of a female US soldier from a Iraqi hospital during the initial invation (forgot her name).
    No she made that up. All we did was rescue her.

    Exactly, there is no proof that this document was written by insurgents.
    No.

    There is no proof because you refuse to believe it was written by insurgents because it is your nature as a pessimistic anti-war, anti-bush, and perhaps anti-american (depending on your nationality) liberal to refuse to believe anything that is possibly hopefull in Iraq.


    I'm not saying the Document is real, theres a chance its not. But I'm not going to rule out as a fact that its fake, and you shouldn't either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik
    Would America make a list of everything insurgents did well in Iraq?
    Well yes, actually. In British doctrine it's Question One, part two of the Seven Question Estimate (What are the enemy doing and why: what are the enemy's capabilities). I'd be surprised if the Yanks don't do something similar.

    America has made up more complex propaganda about the Iraq war before.
    Like that story about that heroic rescue of a female US soldier from a Iraqi hospital during the initial invation (forgot her name).
    I'll give you that, I wet myself laughing when the truth came out about that one.

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    Why do I doubt the source?
    Firstly the proinance, the article comes from a source which declares it to be from "Israel, the Middle East and the Jewish World" and thus likely to have a pro-US slant. I say likely because Israel is currently inveigling its way closer to other nations after the embarrasment of "accidentally" shelling that peace, and the civilians on it. Secondly we only know of this document as a translation carried out by the US's puppet government, which makes me dubious as to the reliability of the translation.

    Why do I doubt the source's accuracy?
    I offset it against other news that I am recieving about both Iraq and the War in Terror in general, such as the shooting of yet another innocent British civilian by my country's police and intelligence services and that even articles which at first seem to show a resurgance in US dominance mentions:
    In other developments in Iraq:

    * Gunmen kill 10 people in an ambush in Baquba - the victims are apparently dragged from a bus taking them to work and shot dead at the roadside

    * Four worshippers are shot dead and 15 hurt as gunmen storm a Sunni mosque in the city of Tikrit
    Yes, I disbelieve it because it doesn't fit in with my liberal bias, but at least my liberal bias is a reasoned one. It seems to me that so far the actions by US forces have been entirely reactionary rather than precautionary. Still, I will wait another month before feeling smug that these recent raids have failed to stem the violence in Iraq one dram.

    There is no proof because you refuse to believe it was written by insurgents because it is your nature as a pessimistic anti-war, anti-bush, and perhaps anti-american (depending on your nationality) liberal to refuse to believe anything that is possibly hopefull in Iraq.
    Feel free to make an ad-hominem attack against everyone here who doesn't trust the source. Do you know that he is a liberal? Of course not. Besides, what does a person's nationality have to do with their opinion of America and it's foreign policy? Can only foreigners be anti-american? Can only non-British people be Anti-British? Equally are only Americans allowed to be pro-America?
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    I don't trust anything that comes out of Iraq until I have multiple sources (at least two non-American [and not British]) telling me it is true.

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    Why do I doubt the source?
    Firstly the proinance, the article comes from a source which declares it to be from "Israel, the Middle East and the Jewish World" and thus likely to have a pro-US slant. I say likely because Israel is currently inveigling its way closer to other nations after the embarrasment of "accidentally" shelling that peace, and the civilians on it. Secondly we only know of this document as a translation carried out by the US's puppet government, which makes me dubious as to the reliability of the translation.

    Actualy thats just the link he provided. I found this article on some other websited and nevertheless its just posted on websites. The Paper itseld was relased by the Associated Press. Which I thin is a creadible organisation.

    I don't trust anything that comes out of Iraq until I have multiple sources (at least two non-American [and not British]) telling me it is true.
    Like the Associated Press?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Americ
    I don't trust anything that comes out of Iraq until I have multiple sources (at least two non-American [and not British]) telling me it is true.
    Ok..
    http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/...964706227.html - Australian
    http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/story.as...en&DSNO=876869 - kuwait
    http://www.news24.com/News24/World/I...952283,00.html - south african

    What about the secret CIA flights, for example?
    Didn't Rice say those flights didn't take part, yet they show up on ATC records?
    Please when you mention those CIA flights please include the CIA flights that were sanctioned by many European nations so it doesnt give the lopsided appearance that your original comment presents. After all if you want to convict CIA of the flights happening before the report is offically released atleast include the entire story.

    But then I guess in some countries people aren't that bothered when their government tries to mislead them.
    Or some countries dont have anything worth trying to mislead people for, ie no need for them to get their hands dirty when someone else is doing it or some countries are just better at hiding it. Given your pessimistic view of US, Brits and pretty much everyone it amazes me you are so optimistic about your own country.
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    Never forget that it is all about the oil in the first place. The oil!

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    You're only showing how much you hate freedom, Erik. If everyone was like you, our brave troops would get no respect, and freedom wouldn't even be on the march!



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    Never forget that it is all about the oil in the first place. The oil!

    Please stop talking about the damned Oil. Every discussion you enter is "OMG WE INVADED CAUSE OF OIL!!!!" or "THE WAR WAS ILLEGAL LETS IMPEACH BUSH!!!" Even when it has no relevance to the topic at hand.
    We are in Iraq, whether it is because of Oil or not doesn't matter, so just get over the "We should have never gone there" line every 3rd sentance cause we are there, we are not leaving untill we have created a stable Iraq, and that "fact" has no relevance to the discussion over the authenticity of the document and what it means for our troops on the ground.

    You're only showing how much you hate freedom, Erik. If everyone was like you, our brave troops would get no respect, and freedom wouldn't even be on the march!
    Oh Please Atheist do shut up with that, its getting pretty old. Ever consider the irony in the fact that you are mocking us for something we haven't don yet, in essense you are sterotyping us as a lot of brain-dead posters who when they meat someone with another opinion call them freedom-haters. And the funny thing about that is you are impersonation your mockery, just on the other end of the spectrum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist Peace
    You're only showing how much you hate freedom, Erik. If everyone was like you, our brave troops would get no respect, and freedom wouldn't even be on the march!
    If it was up to me those soldiers would be FREE to do something better with their lives.
    That's how much I love freedom.

    But my real argument is that freedom isn't on the march at all.
    Southern Iraq is going to be turned into a fundamentalistic muslim state simular to Iran. great job USA
    If this war could realy free the people of Iraq I would probably support it, but it can't so I don't.



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    I think I should say this, but from what I understand Atheist Peace is just completely messing with you Erik. He is a staunch liberal and gains pleasure out of acting like a neo-con just to see your reaction.

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    Pure propaganda, nothing else. I mean, would any political(if we may call it so) organisation admit it's defeats and weaknesses so openly to the world? Not until it is totally destroyed and even then only the others would say that so this ain't possibly nothing but propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega
    Pure propaganda, nothing else. I mean, would any political(if we may call it so) organisation admit it's defeats and weaknesses so openly to the world? Not until it is totally destroyed and even then only the others would say that so this ain't possibly nothing but propaganda.
    You see, thats why they captured the information, not like they went on their website, posted this, and said "Oops, we're sorry." No one was suppose to see it but them.

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