Can Pontos become Persia?

[CelestialTeapot]

the persia reforms. Or is it only Hayasdan that can get it?

[The Kybrothilian]

They're only for Hayasdan.

And I don't think Pontos would have become Persian empire historically even if it had the chance. They were would have formed some sort of Anatolian empire instead.

[Boriak]

Pontos did create an Anatolian empire.

[CelestialTeapot]

How unfortunate. I want to re-create the persian empire and i figured that pontos would be the most persian-ish. But is it hayasdan that is the real perisa, or pahlava?

[athanaric]

How unfortunate. I want to re-create the persian empire and i figured that pontos would be the most persian-ish. But is it hayasdan that is the real perisa, or pahlava?

They're all factions from the fringe of the former Persian Empire. All three have some Persian elements, but gameplay wise, Pahlava comes closest (because of their reformed government). The others may have a better dynastic claim though. A "real" Persian faction would be one that started in the actual Persian core region, like the Sassanids did a few centuries later.

[The Kybrothilian]

Pontos does have a lot of hellenic influences though.

[Samariten]

Pahlava is as said closest to recreate the persian empire or Arsacid empire. With Hayasdan one is to recreate the Median empire if i am not totally wrong?

[athanaric]

Pahlava is as said closest to recreate the persian empire or Arsacid empire. With Hayasdan one is to recreate the Median empire if i am not totally wrong?

Provided that the "Median Empire" existed at all, which is far from certain. But AFAIK the Yervanduni dynasty of EB had ties to the Achaemenids.

[the persian Immortal]

Provided that the "Median Empire" existed at all, which is far from certain. But AFAIK the Yervanduni dynasty of EB had ties to the Achaemenids.

what's that!!!!!!!????

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

I am pretty sure the Armenian kings were related to the Achaemenids, but a Persian empire didn't rise again until Ardashir came along. Parthia was Hellenic-nomadic mix.

[DarthLazy]

Pontus has by far the most secure starting location though .

[Entropy Judge]

Searching is your friend.

[Tobit of Media]

Pontos can build the Satrap government level throughout all of the former Achemenid provinces. They also are able to recruit Persian Archers, Persian hoplites, and persian spearmen.

[Entropy Judge]

They also are able to recruit Persian Archers, Persian hoplites, and persian spearmen.

Just about *everyone* can recruit the Archers and Archer-Spearmen, though. Saba gets a different Archer-Spearmen unit, and I think that's it. So the only unit that matters of the three you listed is the Hoplites (Hayasdan, Pontos, and Pahlava).

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

But Pontus was a Greek state still. I don't think their kings as much as spoke Persian.

[demagogos nicator]

Despite their helenistic culture the Seleucid empire has IMO the highest legacy as the successor state of Achaemenid empire.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Nah it was pretty non-existent. They all but abolished the pseudo-feudal government system of the Persians, and substituted it with a much more centralized regime, and all the military differences that came with that regime. They also introduced monetary economy, and founded many cities. The Achaemenids were largely rural, while the Seleucids strived for urbanization. And, of course, while the Achaemenids didn't care what the locals were doing so long as the taxes kept coming, the Seleucids established Greek rule everywhere.

[demagogos nicator]

They all but abolished the pseudo-feudal government system of the Persians, and substituted it with a much more centralized regime, and all the military differences that came with that regime. They also introduced monetary economy, and founded many cities. The Achaemenids were largely rural, while the Seleucids strived for urbanization.

The good old Achaemenid empire deserved some reforms

the Seleucids established Greek rule everywhere.

Could not agree with this point.