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    just when we thought we'd killed SOPA for good, the good people in Washington seem extremely determined to monitor and restrict internet freedom:



    Another key note: You should not expect to get the big outcry on this one like with SOPA. CISPA is supported by the following companies: http://intelligence.house.gov/bill/c...ction-act-2011

    btw facebooks supports the bill
    Did Congress Really Not Pay Attention To What Happened With SOPA? CISPA Ignorance Is Astounding
    from the again-and-again dept
    Update: Check out our breakdown of the reasons CISPA is a really bad bill.

    We recently wrote about how HR 3523, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act -- or CISPA -- is an incredibly bad bill that would basically make it much, much easier for the government to spy on all sorts of private communications. The bill already has over 100 sponsors, some of whom were on the right side of SOPA, but seem to have gone astray here. The concern over CISPA has been growing rapidly and the netroots are speaking out and warning Congress that this is a bill they do not want.

    And yet... Congress still appears ready to move forward with CISPA the week of April 23rd. And the amazing (no, astounding) thing is that many politicians in Congress have no idea that people are up in arms over this yet. In talking to different people on Capitol Hill, the story is along the lines of "oh, is there some controversy over this?" Like SOPA early on, it appears that Congress simply takes for granted that if you call something one thing (whether it's "stopping piracy" or "protecting cybersecurity") no one will bother looking at the details to realize just how problematic the bill actually is.

    But this is a bad, bad bill, which effectively will lead to significant spying on internet usage and private communications by the government with little to no oversight -- and that includes not just domestic law enforcement, but military spying as well. The whole thing is absolutely crazy (especially when there are less onerous bills that are much more sensible).

    The truly amazing part to me is the fact that politicians in Congress would simply think that there's no problem making massive internet regulatory change without actually looking at the impact on ordinary users and how they feel about it so soon after SOPA. It seems clear that many elected officials still haven't received the message that politicians should not be mucking with the internet when they clearly don't understand it.
    Source: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...tounding.shtml
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    Well the present administration is very much loved and supported by the entertainment industry, one the industries most hurt by the unrestricted internet. I saw an interview concerning this with of all people Sasha Grey on MSNBC, who actually voiced the most coherent policies concerning it. I googled her afterwards holy cow does she have some unique talents.

    That aside entertainers deserve to be paid for their work, and I have sympathy for them. But censorship gets out hand very easily it is a difficult question. The reality is copyright needs extended to the internet and those whose work it is have the right to deny free access, but I think they should also shoulder that burden themselves and leave the government out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muller227 View Post
    Well the present administration is very much loved and supported by the entertainment industry, one the industries most hurt by the unrestricted internet. I saw an interview concerning this with of all people Sasha Grey on MSNBC, who actually voiced the most coherent policies concerning it. I googled her afterwards holy cow does she have some unique talents.
    it seems to me that sooner or later, the government (US/UK/etc) is going to monitor and restrict internet freedoms and we can all protest it for as much as we want (and go back to our day jobs) but it's going to happen.

    people protested last time but all that got was a delay in the actual bill; what the good and honourable people at WAshington are doing right now are bringing it out again, like they didn't get the message loud and clear last time.

    And this isn't just one party doing it, these bills are coming from both aisles, both Democrats and Republicans; seems the system is only 2 halves of the one party state that's increasingly becoming a feature of US politics.

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    Most politicians love censorship Exarch, It increases their power on what the pleb,s will be allowed to know and do.

    Facebook,Apple,microsoft et al. Have been involved in a massive buy out of software patent,s so they will have a hook in every aspect of the internet teqnology.

    The internet is to big a business to allow ordinary people free rein. With the big boys in play they will want to corner any possible cash flow.

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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Why is it that you always quote RT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    Why is it that you always quote RT?
    why not? how is it any different to any other cable media station? what they've reported on isn't untrue and over something as important as the internet freedom we've come to enjoy, it's unsurprising to see the muted response, relative to RT's from most of the american based cable news stations including the allies ones.

    naturally, the protests against CISPA are deja vu:
    By Morgan Little
    April 16, 2012, 10:40 a.m.
    Reporting from Washington—
    As the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act of 2011 nears its time in the congressional spotlight, supporters and detractors alike are fine-tuning their arguments in preparation for another battle over how the Internet will be influenced by federal legislation.

    The core objective of CISPA is simple: Opening up greater means for communication between private entities and the federal government on issues of cybersecurity and national security.

    “Today the U.S. government protects itself using classified and unclassified threat information that it identifies from attacks on its networks,” a staffer on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence said, introducing the legislation on a conference call April 10. “However, the majority of the private sector doesn’t get access to this information because the government has no mechanism today for effectively sharing.”

    The points of contention reside within the details of the bill. Rebecca Jeschke, digital rights analyst with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, struck at the most important issue that her organization, and others, have with CISPA, the language of the bill itself.

    “The language is so vague that there’s a huge level of interpretation of data that could be shared,” Jeschke said.

    Michelle Richardson, a legislative council at the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office, echoed Jeschke’s remarks.

    As it stands now, she said, the bill is “broad enough to go beyond China,” referring to the frequent invocations of Chinese subterfuge and espionage aimed at U.S. private and governmental networks made by its proponents.

    The data intended to be shared, titled “cyber threat intelligence” within CISPA, is defined as information that is within the intelligence community’s hold “pertaining to the protection of a system or network from” one of the following.

    “Efforts to degrade, disrupt or destroy such system or network … theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property or personally identifiable information.”

    Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md.), a co-sponsor of the bill alongside Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), has sought to address the concerns over the inclusion of intellectual property, which happened to be the contentious focal point of the defunct SOPA legislation.

    “I am not talking about .mp3 files or movies or music, I’m talking about billions of dollars that American companies spend on research and development every year,” he said during Tuesday’s conference call.

    Facebook, arguably the highest-profile supporter of the bill, given its vast resources of personal information, reiterated its support Friday in a statement released by Joel Kaplan, Facebook’s vice president of public policy.

    “The concern is that companies will share sensitive personal information with the government in the name of protecting cybersecurity. Facebook has no intention of doing this and it is unrelated to the things we liked about HR 3523 in the first place - the additional information it would provide us about specific cyber threats to our systems and users,” he said.

    Ruppersberger listed some of those possible threats during the conference call.

    “You have the criminal front where people are just trying to steal identities, get into your account and steal your money … we believe that there will be a catastrophic cyberattack if we don’t at least start to put some protections in .. and, lastly, this cyber espionage piece that is absolutely devastating to the future economy of the United States,” he said.

    Richardson elaborated on the ACLU’s concerns with CISPA, and why they’ve been adamantly against it since the initial committee markup.

    Ideally, Richardson said, there would be a limitation placed in the legislation making it so that the information gathering efforts pertain only to cyberthreats, with Congress setting up an explicit road map to set up which agencies will be granted access to the data obtained from private companies.

    “Here it’s a free-for-all” she said, citing that data obtained through CISPA could theoretically end up in the Department of Defense or in the hands of the National Security Agency. Preferably, and this is something that Jeschke agrees with, the Department of Homeland Security, a civilian agency, would be the sole recipient given control of the data.

    Otherwise, Richardson said, “It’s allowing them [companies] to go straight to the military.”

    A new draft of CISPA, posted by the committee Friday, highlights areas in which the legislation has changed since its inception, and how it has adapted to the criticisms leveled against it. Amendments added are highlighted in green, while those still under consideration are highlighted in yellow.

    Copyright © 2012, Los Angeles Times
    Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,5314596.story

    but it seems that even after trumpeted claims of 'revising CISPA', the effects are still the same: more police powers, more monitoring, privacy is compromised:
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57...icans-privacy/

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    Yes, people in government are trying to pass a bad bill, again. Trying to package this as true censorship, like in China, North Korea, Russia, Iran (am I missing someone?) is absurd.

    And using RT as a source makes this a thread that is dead on arrival. If they ever, ever present a story in a non-hysterical manner when it has to do with the West, I will die of shock. It is after all, a Russian state run news organization that has carved out its niche, in being ridiculous. That is how they compete for Putin dollars. They are just one part of a PR campaign - the more ridiculous part. While other Russian news orgs can be called actual news, despite the slant, RT is where the conspiracy theory stories end up. Used to be good for a laugh. Now its just disturbing when you combine it with the overall lack of intelligence in the world today.

    Just go to youtube and look at the comments. These are scary-stupid human beings. Anti-US, anti-Jew, anti-common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarnabyJones View Post
    Yes, people in government are trying to pass a bad bill, again. Trying to package this as true censorship, like in China, North Korea, Russia, Iran (am I missing someone?) is absurd.

    And using RT as a source makes this a thread that is dead on arrival. If they ever, ever present a story in a non-hysterical manner when it has to do with the West, I will die of shock. It is after all, a Russian state run news organization that has carved out its niche, in being ridiculous. That is how they compete for Putin dollars. They are just one part of a PR campaign - the more ridiculous part. While other Russian news orgs can be called actual news, despite the slant, RT is where the conspiracy theory stories end up. Used to be good for a laugh. Now its just disturbing when you combine it with the overall lack of intelligence in the world today.

    Just go to youtube and look at the comments. These are scary-stupid human beings. Anti-US, anti-Jew, anti-common sense.
    i hate to break it to you, pal but in terms of civilian surveillance and internet monitoring, the US is no different to Russia or China, or even the UK which has cameras everyfrickingwhere.

    and just because you think RT's biased-which it is-doesn't make the news it reports, any less true. To anyone else, xyz media station would be biased against xyz people, that's just life, accept it. But of course, feel free to ignore the rest of my other sources which aren't RT-such as the LATimes or assorted internet articles-none of which have any relation to RT.

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    Yeah, pal, if there is not a clear difference between enforcement of copyrights and the type that exists in Russia or China, then there isn't much to debate with you. Not surprising.
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    Can they tell us why it is "bad" rather thaan simply saying so four times in one paragraph?

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    A process....
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    RT didn't read.
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    So after " we defeat " CISPA ( if we defeat it ) what's next ? Seems like a pointless struggle .

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarnabyJones View Post
    Yeah, pal, if there is not a clear difference between enforcement of copyrights and the type that exists in Russia or China, then there isn't much to debate with you. Not surprising.
    yeah whatever pal,
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    So after " we defeat " CISPA ( if we defeat it ) what's next ? Seems like a pointless struggle .
    or so the Congressmen in Washington would want the people to do, to just give up, bend over and take it. AFter all, the people made it very clear to Congress that restricting internet freedoms under some sort of vague definition of 'copyrights' would not be tolerated-so all Congress did was delay SOPA, then rebrand it into CISPA and brought it out again.

    the good ppl at Reddit are mounting a campaign now to vote these individuals out of office for good; if these politicians aren't going to represent the interests of the people, as opposed to their own lobbyists, then it's high time they got canned.

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    In the 1980's, the USSR found that with the spread of infomation technology it was getting harder and harder to govern in the toltalitarian way that the CCP wanted and still have a functioning country. They gave in, and hence Glasnost came about. The Chinese went in another direction.

    Now, with further, even larger advances in infomation technology, western Democracies are even feeling the pinch of modernity. We need to come out of this on the right side of history, which is to say not as reactionaries.



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    What freedom is being restricted, here?
    The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State. - James Madison

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    I suppose the "freedom" to believe every news agency.
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    OH look, a bill thats never going to pass, but gets talked about anyway because well its "Another sign that we are becoming Soviet Russia" or some other Idiotic BS. Seriously? This isn't censorship or a denial of basic rights, the govt can read your emails at anytime if it really wanted too. A 13 year old could if he was determined enough. This is not a big deal man, its to help that if someone is using Facebook to say, organize blowing up a freaking school. Something can be done about it.
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