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    President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan has linked Sunday's militant attacks to intelligence failures, especially on the part of Nato.

    In his first response to the attacks, Mr Karzai praised the performance of the Afghan security forces.

    He said they had proved themselves capable of defending their country.

    Officials say 51 people died in the fighting in Kabul and elsewhere: four civilians, 11 members of the security forces and 36 insurgents.

    "The terrorists' infiltration in Kabul and other provinces is an intelligence failure for us and especially for Nato and should be seriously investigated," Mr Karzai said.

    On Sunday, militants attacked the district in central Kabul where many embassies are located, as well as the parliament building. Nato's headquarters in the city also came under assault.

    The clashes in the city ended on Monday, 18 hours after they began, when the last gunman, who was fighting near the parliament in the west of the city, was killed.

    Earlier on Monday morning, Afghan special forces flushed out gunmen who had been using a central Kabul construction site as a base from which to fire on foreign embassies and other targets.

    The US, German and British embassies were among the diplomatic missions targeted.
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    This attack shows that Taliban still has strength to launch raids againsting Afghanistan government, which brings the question whether it is wise for NATO to pull out bulk of force in near future. Oh wait, I forget US military pulled out from Iraq despite it is still a mess.
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    This attack shows that Taliban still has strength to launch raids againsting Afghanistan government, which brings the question whether it is wise for NATO to pull out bulk of force in near future.
    Don't believe the propaganda. The taliban are on the run and have been since US involvement - what your seeing here is an act of desperation, not a resurgence.

    Oh wait, I forget US military pulled out from Iraq despite it is still a mess.
    Iraq is not a mess, but it is going through growing pains -- and I find your smile inappropriate. Of all the muslim country's in the middle east, Iraq is the most free and has by far the most economic potential (oil & water). I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised by the end of this decade.
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    I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised by the end of this decade.
    Surprise how Iraq is overran by Iran, I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Cheney. View Post
    Iraq is not a mess, but it is going through growing pains -- and I find your smile inappropriate. Of all the muslim country's in the middle east, Iraq is the most free and has by far the most economic potential (oil & water). I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised by the end of this decade.
    Yeah, not even close, don't get carried away. Iraq is neither the most free Muslim country, nor the one with the most potential.

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    I see the propaganda attack receives attention. Who knew. Congratulations are in order to the people who stumbled in and reacted in precisely the way the Taliban wanted.
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    Don't believe the propaganda. The taliban are on the run and have been since US involvement - what your seeing here is an act of desperation, not a resurgence.

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    Why should the Taliban despair when we try to negotiate with them and they know we want to get the hell out of dodge (withdrawal time tables already in place)? And they do these suicide stunts for years now, I don't think the actual important Taliban are the ones that get themselves killed in them.
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    Except that Iraq isnt. There is significant evidence of Iraq pushing back against Iran, in various, important ways.

    The Karzai comments are not surprising. If we were the Russians we would have pushed reset with respect to him, several years ago.

    Following the trends:
    The key trends of the war in Afghanistan can be summarized fairly simply. The hard part is figuring out what they collectively add up to.

    Here is what we know: Afghans are wealthier, healthier and better educated than ever before. Unquestionably, Afghan security forces are bigger and better. Despite the occasional spectacular attack, Kabul is relatively safe, accounting for less than 1 percent of violent episodes nationwide, thanks largely to the efforts of these troops. The security situation in the more dangerous south is also much improved, after two years of efforts by foreign and Afghan forces. The north and west are at least no longer deteriorating and collectively account for less than 10 percent of violence nationwide.

    But the east, near where insurgents in the Haqqani network have found sanctuary across the Pakistani border, remains highly troubled. There, insurgent violence against Afghan citizens and troops, as well as foreign soldiers, actually went up about 20 percent last year. NATO and Afghan forces will increasingly concentrate their efforts in the east this year and next.

    In addition, after attacks by Afghan soldiers on NATO units, trust between the forces is lower than before. Meanwhile, government corruption remains high. Some anti-corruption measures are in place, but we cannot yet find any clear evidence that they are working systematically. The Afghan elections of 2014 threaten to intensify already growing ethnic tensions between the Pashtuns and the minority Tajiks, and between Uzbeks and Hazaras, and peace talks with the Taliban are halting.

    After recent weeks marred by the attacks on NATO units, as well as riots after American military personnel burned copies of the Koran and the accusation that another American slaughtered 17 Afghan civilians, Americans and Afghans are right to wonder about the future of this conflict. They do have some happy news to look to, however, like new accords transferring the responsibility for night raids and the main coalition prison to the Afghan government.

    Based on current trends — some of which are depicted in the chart accompanying this article — the most likely outcome in Afghanistan is a mixed one. Come 2014, when NATO withdraws, we expect that the Afghan government will be able to hold most cities and major roads. That is because of the often underappreciated improvement in its security forces, combined with the hits taken by the insurgency in recent years, as well as the general lack of appeal the Taliban movement holds for most urban Afghans. Yet the government will probably still be unable to control many of the nation’s rural areas, particularly in the East. On top of that, corruption among officials will perhaps further erode the government’s legitimacy; the economy will suffer as the stimulus provided by foreign troops declines; and the 2014 electoral process could easily divide Afghans more than unite them.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/14/op...stan.html?_r=2

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    This attack shows that Taliban still has strength to launch raids againsting Afghanistan government, which brings the question whether it is wise for NATO to pull out bulk of force in near future. Oh wait, I forget US military pulled out from Iraq despite it is still a mess after making it a mess.
    Corrected. Yes those were deadly attacks but I didn't hear of any casualties. As far as Karzai's statement is concerned that is partly true, but it is Karzai's failure too after all he poses to be the powerful president of the miserable state. Talks with Taliban have failed due to rigidity on both sides. Taliban want everything as it was pre 9/11 which is not possible and US wants some strongholds after this much fatigue and Afghans don't want this so both parties have entered into a new period of no talks and big fight. I would suggest that NATO should leave region if the get guarantee that no more militants would be harbored in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is not Iraq and they have zero tolerance for foreign occupants, they would not allow any strongholds on their soil.
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    Corrected. Yes those were deadly attacks but I didn't hear of any casualties. As far as Karzai's statement is concerned that is partly true, but it is Karzai's failure too after all he poses to be the powerful president of the miserable state. Talks with Taliban have failed due to rigidity on both sides. Taliban want everything as it was pre 9/11 which is not possible and US wants some strongholds after this much fatigue and Afghans don't want this so both parties have entered into a new period of no talks and big fight. I would suggest that NATO should leave region if the get guarantee that no more militants would be harbored in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is not Iraq and they have zero tolerance for foreign occupants, they would not allow any strongholds on their soil.
    Afghans != Taliban. What an absolutely ignorant thing to say. You're right about one thing though, Afghans will no longer tolerate foreign occupants (ie, the Pakistani Taliban). The average Afghani hates Pakistan, just so you know. The Taliban are not freedom fighters, and they're most certainly not trying to free their people. They're foreigners seeking to oppress an entire country.
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    Chances for logical debate = 0%

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    Why does the USA need a stronghold? It has the force projection capacity to take the majority of major cities in the world by air assault.
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    Why does the USA need a stronghold? It has the force projection capacity to take the majority of major cities in the world by air assault.
    Don't ask stupid question, as if US does not have huge bases all over the world.
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    Don't ask stupid question, as if US does not have huge bases all over the world.
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    Don't ask stupid question, as if US does not have huge bases all over the world.
    Those bases they're closing left right and centre?
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    once the permanent US base in afghanistan is set up, there won't be any need to keep troops in A-stan; they can just sit behind their walled compounds and monitor the pipeline that's going to be built and track any Russian ICBMs with their newly installed ABM interceptors

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    Actually it was great for USA. USA need reasons to stay longer.
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    wat

    I'm confused, what do you conspiracy theorists think the US is doing in Afghanistan? Killing brown people for the lulz?
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    Certainly Taliban was weakened, but it's not going anywhere. Especially after the recent missteps by the US forces (Koran burning, urination on corpses) will most definitely give Taliban fresh recruits and supplies. Karzai is trying to save face and not seem to pro-West as the West is becoming more and more unpopular the longer they stay.
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    Afghans != Taliban. What an absolutely ignorant thing to say. You're right about one thing though, Afghans will no longer tolerate foreign occupants (ie, the Pakistani Taliban). The average Afghani hates Pakistan, just so you know. The Taliban are not freedom fighters, and they're most certainly not trying to free their people. They're foreigners seeking to oppress an entire country.
    And Iraq had WMDs, to maintain mental health I suggest to keep a difference from US media and Govt. statements. Common Afghan is sick of both the Taliban and the US, still Taliban are sons of soil and share hatred of foreign occupation with common Afghan men.
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    And Iraq had WMDs, to maintain mental health I suggest to keep a difference from US media and Govt. statements. Common Afghan is sick of both the Taliban and the US, still Taliban are sons of soil and share hatred of foreign occupation with common Afghan men.
    Most Afghans hate ISAF now? I suppose you have, you know, evidence for this claim?

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