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    You got it and yes the cartridges are necked. They have a gradual slope which is hard to see in the photo.

    The Winchester model 1876 was Winchester's attempt to produce an express or big game repeater. While their 1873 rifle would become known as the "gun that won the west" it was still only a .44 caliber rifle with a cartridge limited to 40 grains of black powder--a round that is considered a pistol caliber cartridge today. The 44 WCF or as it's known today the 44-40 will handle medium game, but not heavy game like Bison, Elk, or Moose. It was not the man stopper that most militaries wanted.

    Note: Black powder has over 4 times the bulk of modern smokeless so charges were constrained by the size of the shell casing back in the day. This is not an issue with smokeless powder in modern cartridges.

    Winchester wanted to created a repeating rifle that would shoot the new 45-70 government cartridge adopted by the US military for their 1873 single shot trapdoor Springfield. Due to the restrictions of the toggle link action that Winchester used in their rifles, the cartridge sizes were limited unless they increased the length and size of the frame. The 1876 is like an 1873 on steroids and weighs substantially more.

    Within practical reason, all Winchester could accomplish was to lengthen the receiver enough to handle a .45-60 cartridge. However, by designing a necked cartridge they were able to also offer a 45-75 to approximate the ballistics of the US gov 45-70. and even a necked 50-95.

    Standard rifle barrel lengths were 26 inches. Of course the mounted police would be operating from horse back so they chose a full stocked carbine with a 22 inch barrel. It also included a saddle ring sometimes referred to as a sling ring.

    Here's a shot of a regular 1873 rifle shown above an 1876 model so you can sort of see the difference the size and bulk of two rifles.



    The mounties started purchasing the 1876 carbines shortly after they premiered and continued until the early 1880's. The Texas Rangers also used the 1876's for a while. Due to their small numbers and hard use, any surviving carbines issued to the mounties or the rangers bring premium prices if they happen to show up at auction.


    The 1876 was also favorite rifle of Teddy Roosevelt for North American large game. Winchester only produced a little over 63,800 of the model 1876's. Thanks to a new internal mechanical design by John M. Browning, Winchester introduced a new big game lever action in 1886. The new model 1886 big game repeater had a very strong but still smaller action that essentially made the 1876 obsolete.

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    Just need the design of pistol named

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    Please try to give reasonable answers to the quiz. This is no place for trolling and jokes.

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    Just need the design of pistol named
    The was built built by different gun smiths, and was named after the gunsmith who created it. There is similar design named after a different gunsmith
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Soldier View Post
    The was built built by different gun smiths, and was named after the gunsmith who created it. There is similar design named after a different gunsmith
    Since no one is trying to guess it, the gun shown is a Lorenzoni repeating breech loading flintlock. They were originally designed by an Italian gunsmith in the 1600s and were made until the 19th century.

    You can read more about them here https://firearmshistory.blogspot.com...-repeater.html

    A similar repeating flintlock rifle based on Lorenzoni action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookson_repeater.

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    Maybe someone will guess this one, it should be easy. Be a shame. So let this thread die after so long a time.

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    Cant see an image.

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    One of the diesel-electric subs, that together with some nuclear-powered submarines, begot varyingly merged templates of sorts for later designs in the states. The irony is that the later, expensive, merging might have been superfluous over-thinking brought on by the atom craze. As in the end, they stopped using diesel subs altogether, in favour of the atom. Others looking on from a distance then took up the diesel mantle, the same year, the States decommissioned their last diesel-descendent of the above picture.

    The above-pictured concept, or maybe rather the school of thought it championed was cast aside after 40-60 years, diesel-mantle unknowingly passed on, only 10-15 years later, the onlookers were done, having fashioned, much less complex, quieter, smaller, vastly cheaper, diesel sub.
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    By mid-summer of 2005 the Gotland arrived in San Diego and war games immediately commenced. Apparently the Navy got more than they were bargaining for when it came to finding and engaging the stealthy little sub. The Gotland virtually “sunk” many US nuclear fast-attack subs, destroyers, frigates, cruisers and even made it into the ‘red zone’ beyond the last ring of anti-submarine defences within a carrier strike group. Although it was rumoured she got many simulated shots off on various US super-carriers, one large-scale training exercise in particular with the then brand new USS Ronald Reagan ended with the little sub making multiple attacks runs on the super-carrier.

    The ignored potential that the above-pictured submarine, as a forerunner, had co-authored: Avenged and redeemed. The little sub slithered away without ever being detected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narf View Post
    One of the diesel-electric subs, that together with some nuclear-powered submarines, begot varyingly merged templates of sorts for later designs in the states. The irony is that the later, expensive, merging might have been superfluous over-thinking brought on by the atom craze. As in the end, they stopped using diesel subs altogether, in favour of the atom. Others looking on from a distance then took up the diesel mantle, the same year, the States decommissioned their last diesel-descendent of the above picture.

    The above-pictured concept, or maybe rather the school of thought it championed was cast aside after 40-60 years, diesel-mantle unknowingly passed on, only 10-15 years later, the onlookers were done, having fashioned, much less complex, quieter, smaller, vastly cheaper, diesel sub.

    The ignored potential that the above-pictured submarine, as a forerunner, had co-authored: Avenged and redeemed. The little sub slithered away without ever being detected.

    Home to.... Urghhh. Prhhu. Sweden...

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    Still need a name. You are right about it being an US diesel electric submarine. The hull shape was used by a later class of nuclear submarines.

    The US went all nuclear submarine because of the far greater flexibility of nuclear submarines over diesel. They have effectively unlimited range, and be rapidly deployed around the world. An US nuclewr submarine could be deployed half way around the world, traveling at top speed and remaining under water and undetected the entire time, a diesel submarine xould not do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Brewster View Post
    Cant see an image.
    I can see the image and others can too, so I don't know what to tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narf View Post
    One of the diesel-electric subs, that together with some nuclear-powered submarines, begot varyingly merged templates of sorts for later designs in the states. The irony is that the later, expensive, merging might have been superfluous over-thinking brought on by the atom craze. As in the end, they stopped using diesel subs altogether, in favour of the atom. Others looking on from a distance then took up the diesel mantle, the same year, the States decommissioned their last diesel-descendent of the above picture.

    The above-pictured concept, or maybe rather the school of thought it championed was cast aside after 40-60 years, diesel-mantle unknowingly passed on, only 10-15 years later, the onlookers were done, having fashioned, much less complex, quieter, smaller, vastly cheaper, diesel sub.

    The ignored potential that the above-pictured submarine, as a forerunner, had co-authored: Avenged and redeemed. The little sub slithered away without ever being detected.

    Home to.... Urghhh. Prhhu. Sweden...

    Ew. (Name not recalled)
    Since no one else seems willing to guess, I will give you credit. The submarine is the USS Albacore, was anexperimental US diesel submarine that waa the first US submarine with a modern cylindrical teardrop shape that allowed for high underwater speeds. The USS Albacore led to the nuclear powered Skipjack class, which used the teardrop hull shape of the USS Albacore.

    Your turn Narf.

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    Might be too easy for this expert crowd.
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    Might be too easy for this expert crowd.
    Since no on else.is guessing, could it be an Arisaka Type 38 or 44?

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    A very interesting guess, a difference/hint to point out is the ariska is fed with a magazine, from the top as is conventional(For that time), this rifle is fed from the side:
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    A Krag Jorgensen rifle then. It did not look exactly like the American version, but the Danish versions were slightly different

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    Correct!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narf View Post
    Correct!
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    I guess I should post something Her it is

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    Mir?
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    Close, but not Mir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morticia Iunia Bruti View Post
    Mir?
    Not Mir. Something less well known

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