No Gatling gun limit?

[marceror]

Shouldn't there be a limit to the number of Gatling guns that a faction can produce? My understanding is that there were a total of 3 Gatling guns in all of Japan during the Boshin War, 2 owned by Nagaoka and 1 controlled by the Imperial forces.

It seems like this should be reflected in the game in some way. Perhaps giving a limit of 5 or 6 Gatling gun regiments would work (I realize that only allowing 3 in the entire game is way too limiting).

On a similar note, it seems like there should be a limit on the Middle Tier Imperial/Shogunate/Republican line infantry. Thesea are super uber units. The guard infantry are limited to 6. Maybe 10 - 12 would be a more appropriate limit here... so that you don't see entire armies fielded with these elite soldiers, and the more common line infantry continue to have a place in the later game.

In general, I think there should be more limitations placed on elite units and/or units that weren't particularly common during the Boshin war. Heck, I wouldn't mind seeing a limit put on regular line infantry, to encourage the need to use more traditional units such as Matchlock units, bow units, etc. After all, as much as Japan might have wanted to modernize during this period, there were serious limitations to the amount of modern equipment they could get their hands on over a relatively short period of time. Personally, I'd love to see some tuning in this area to better reflect that.

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

To be fair, only about 3000 people dies in the entire war, so...

[Erwin Rommel]

To be fair, only about 3000 people dies in the entire war, so...

To be fair, that number is on the Shogunate side alone.

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

To be fair, that number is on the Shogunate side alone.

Oh. My point still stands.

[Erwin Rommel]

Oh. My point still stands.

.....then there are 5 more or so samurai rebellions within FOTS timeframe, one of which has 6000 to 20k casualties.

[Prnn]

.....then there are 5 more or so samurai rebellions within FOTS timeframe, one of which has 6000 to 20k casualties.

Didn't the Satsuma rebellion take place after the campaign is over?

[hochmeister devin]

.....then there are 5 more or so samurai rebellions within FOTS timeframe, one of which has 6000 to 20k casualties.

Jesus 20k people died in a rebellion, that must have been a damn big one.

[Colonel Dax]

To be fair, that number is on the Shogunate side alone.

The total number of casualties still only amounts to about 4,000.

[marceror]

Well, there's not much that can be done about that... short of reducing units to sizes of 5 or 10 men! Limiting the number of instances of a particular unit in the game though is something that we know can be done.

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

What I was saying is, it's just strange to complain about the amount of gatling guns, when we've obviously thrown historical figures out the window.

[Erwin Rommel]

a total of 3 Gatling guns in all of Japan during the Boshin War

At the START. After that, god knows what happened.

[marceror]

Well, unless we have evidence that suggests that Gatling guns became something that any ole general could just pick up from the nearest supply depot, it seems fitting that some sort of limitation be put in place. Of course, this is just my personal opinion on the matter.

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

Well, there is no evidence about that, but there IS evidence that there were no battles during the Boshin war where 10,000 people died.


But there was ingame.

I think it's fair. I mean, sure, there weren't really that many Gatling guns, but there weren't really that many soldiers either, so...

[marceror]

Well, there is no evidence about that, but there IS evidence that there were no battles during the Boshin war where 10,000 people died.


But there was ingame.

I think it's fair. I mean, sure, there weren't really that many Gatling guns, but there weren't really that many soldiers either, so...

Well, as the old saying goes... two wrongs don't make a right. Just because certain details can't really be accurately depicted or controlled in the context of a game, it doesn't mean that others can't. This one seems too easy and obvious to argue over.

[hochmeister devin]

If you guys want closer to accurate numbers play on small...

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

And that STILL doesn't compare to the amount of men I kill in one campiagn.


@marceror: Im not saying one is wrong, Im simply saying that they've upped the scale. More people, means more artillery too.

[marceror]

And that STILL doesn't compare to the amount of men I kill in one campiagn.


@marceror: Im not saying one is wrong, Im simply saying that they've upped the scale. More people, means more artillery too.

Oh, yeah, I'm okay with more. Remember that I suggested a possible limit of 6 Gatling battalions per faction. As each battalion contains 4 Gatling guns apiece, we're talking up to 24 Gatling guns per faction times how ever many factions there are!! Those numbers seem to more than give Japan plenty of room to obtain a number of Gatling guns... and more than fulfills your point about "more people, means more artillery too."

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

Yeah, that's true.

The most I've ever had was two, though.

I mean, they're already pretty expensive, and there's no real reason to spam them, so I don't see a need to limit them.

[marceror]

I greatly prefer Armstrong guns to Gatling Guns. I generally put a single unit of Gatling Guns in each major army that I field... and 4 cannon units, whether Parrot Guns or Armstrong Guns. The cannons do an excellent job softening up my enemies... and the Gatling Guns deliver the final punishing blow before the enemy infantry is even in reach of my forces. It would have SUCKED to be a traditional army against a modern army. I think I would have just went home!