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    Default North Korean press bus takes a wrong turn.

    Wrong turn grants glimpse behind North Korean curtain

    It's hard to know what is real in North Korea, but foreign press got a chance to see life behind the facade by accident

    The press bus took a wrong turn - and suddenly, everything changed in the official showcase of North Korean achievement.
    A cloud of dust swirled down deeply potholed streets, past concrete apartment buildings crumbling at the edges. Elderly people trudged along the pavement, some with handmade backpacks crafted from canvas bags. Two men in wheelchairs waited at a bus stop. There were shops with no lights, and unsurfaced sidestreets.
    Ordinary North Koreans stared unabashedly at the 50 or so foreign reporters on a rare trip to this secretive, autocratic nation as it honoured its founder, heralded its new leader and prepared for Friday's satellite launch - an apparent failure that Washington said was really a test of missile technology.
    "Perhaps this is an incorrect road?" mumbled one of the North Korean minders, well-dressed government officials who restrict reporters to meticulously staged presentations that inevitably centre on praise for the three generations of the Kim family, which has ruled the country since 1948.
    So as the camera shutters clicked, the drivers of the three buses quickly reversed up the the narrow streets and headed toward the intended destination: a spotlessly clean, brightly lit, extensively marbled and nearly empty building that makes digital music recordings and DVDs.
    It was at the Hana Music Information Centre, a guide told the reporters, that North Korea's longtime leader, Kim Jong-il, made one of his last public appearances before his death in December.
    "I hope that the journalists present here report only the absolute truth," said Ri Jinju, her voice trembling, her hair rigid with hairspray. "The truth about how much our people miss our comrade Kim Jong-il, and how strong the unity is between the people and leadership, who are vigorously carrying out the leaders' instructions to build a great, prosperous and powerful nation."
    In North Korea, it's hard to know what's real, and you certainly can't go looking for it.
    Anyone who leaves the press tour, or who walks from the few hotels where foreigners are allowed, can be detained by the police and threatened with expulsion.
    But even in such a controlled environment, reality asserts itself.
    Is reality the cluster of tall buildings within view of the main foreigners' hotel, where long strings of bright, coloured lights are switched on when the sun sets, illuminating entire blocks? Or is it the vast stretches of Pyongyang, by far the most developed city in the impoverished country, that are left pitch dark at night?
    Is reality to be found along Pyongyang's drab but spotless main roads, the only streets that journalists normally see, with their revolutionary posters urging North Koreans to struggle toward a Stalinist paradise? Or is it on the streets near the music centre?
    "They've left very few stones unturned in North Korea," said Anthony Brunello, a professor at Eckerd College in Florida, who has studied totalitarian propaganda methods. He said officials will go to nearly any length to create a system that will keep the Kim family in power.
    If that means using propaganda that seems incongruous to outsiders, few of whom believe the official version of Pyongyang as communist idyll, it is very logical in Pyongyang. After all, the Kims still hold power.
    "They've managed to create a process of control that works," Brunello said.
    Most foreign visitors to Pyongyang never encounter a pothole, a traffic jam or a piece of litter larger than a cigarette butt. They see no people with physical disabilities, and no graffiti.
    They normally see only the showcase buildings - the Victorious Fatherland Liberation war museum, the palace commemorating the Kims' juche philosophy of self-reliance, the computer labs at Kim Il-sung University, filled with people that the minders insist are everyday North Koreans.
    The students in the classrooms don't glance up as dozens of reporters intrude, and their lecture continues without pause. The young people in the university pool career down the plastic slide, in front of TV cameras, as if they are completely alone.
    Perhaps they are real students. But look into their eyes, and their pupils dance around you like you're not there, as if they've been trained to pretend you are not.
    Only the official guides, always beautiful women in flowing polyester gowns in ice-cream colours, will talk readily. And any discussion always centre around the Kims: the Great Leader Kim Il-sung, the Great General Kim Jong-il and now - since his father's death - the Respected General Kim Jong-un.
    They speak in relentless hyperbole. "The more time passes, the more we miss our Dear Leader Kim Jong-il," said Ri, the music centre guide. "I don't think we can ever find any person so great."
    Behind the facade, though, North Koreans want the same things as just about everyone else - or at least that's what defector after defector has said.
    They argue with their partners and worry when their children get ill. They wage office politics, dream of buying cars and, if they have enough clout, they hope to get away to the beach in the summer. When times are at their worst, as they were during the famine of the 1990s, they dream simply of having enough food to feed their families.
    It is not clear why the regime hides places like the dusty, potholed neighbourhood, which is just a mile or so from the centre of town. It doesn't look like a war zone, or even like a rough New York neighbourhood. Many streets in New Delhi, the capital of one of the world's fastest-growing economies, look far more battered and poor.
    To most North Koreans, a quarter of whom depend on international food aid, living in homes without electricity or running water, the neighbourhood would look upper-middle class. Special permits are required to live in the capital, and life here is vastly better than it is for most people in the countryside.
    There are secure government jobs, electricity for at least a few hours a day, better-stocked shops and schools that have indoor toilets.
    The officials, however, still hide the neighborhoods. There's a certain view of North Korea they want visitors to have.
    Maybe the regime is opening up. In past years, media minders would order reporters to put down their cameras if they saw something they felt didn't reflect well. At times, they would close the curtains on the buses.
    But on Thursday, the minders said nothing as the cameras clicked away. The journalists stared. And outside the bus, the North Koreans who never expected to be seen stared back.
    Source with pictures: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...life-press-bus

    It's official now. The shining facade that North Korea likes to present to the world is fake. Apparently Juche doesn't work that well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Red Knight View Post
    It's official now. The shining facade that North Korea likes to present to the world is fake. Apparently Juche doesn't work that well.
    I'm flabbergasted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acco View Post
    I'm flabbergasted.
    The interesting thing is that the press minders didn't react like they used to. They didn't close the curtains or seize any tape or memory cards, but they did react with trembling voices so they must have been nervous about what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Red Knight View Post
    It's official now. The shining facade that North Korea likes to present to the world is fake. Apparently juche doesn't work that well.
    Ya think?! Where the hell have you been for... Oh, I don't know, the last 62 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Zoidberg View Post
    Ya think?! Where the hell have you been for... Oh, I don't know, the last 62 years?
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    It really is something straight out of sci-fi. Ive seen videos of them driving media around on clean well lit streets, yet they are still completely empty. They just do not seem to understand.

    And then yes, you eventually see footage that confirms your suspicions, that they are really nothing more than set pieces and the actual life behind it is as hollow any hollywood set, minus the lumber propping them up. It's just amazing that any country still protects them.
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    Some of the places in Toronto look worse than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Some of the places in Toronto look worse than that.
    so North Korea offers superior living standards to Canada?


    anyway first the failure of the missile launch and then this? the Dear Leader has a lot to answer for
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    so North Korea offers superior living standards to Canada?
    I'm talking about the pictures from the article.
    Quote Originally Posted by BarnabyJones View Post
    Broseph saw black people, and dumpsters with garbage near them.
    Thats your perception of poverty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Some of the places in Toronto look worse than that.
    But it's not like a significant amount of Canadians are dependent on international food aid to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    But it's not like a significant amount of Canadians are dependent on international food aid to survive.
    dictatorships offer superior living standards to democracies, how could you forget this?


    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Looks alot like Stoke-on-Trent Chatham. Though I guess thats one way to die as a bus driver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    dictatorships offer superior living standards to democracies, how could you forget this?
    I'm sorry. I forgot that. I guess living in a desperately poor and desolate Western democracy makes me delusional

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    I'm sorry. I forgot that. I guess living in a desperately poor desolate Western democracy makes me delusional
    Now get back to your freedoms!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    But it's not like a significant amount of Canadians are dependent on international food aid to survive.
    Well, than they should have bashed real issues in North Korea, such as unequal distribution of food resources, etc. The article is mostly sensationalist, I haven't seen anything particularly "horrifying" in those pictures.

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    I would actually agree with that. When the story broke, I saw 3 pictures that didn't particularly strike me as being terrible. But Ive seen more than enough that is terrible to know that North Korea is a special kind of hell. Totally surreal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Well, than they should have bashed real issues in North Korea, such as unequal distribution of food resources, etc. The article is mostly sensationalist, I haven't seen anything particularly "horrifying" in those pictures.
    I agree that these photos weren't exactly horrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Well, than they should have bashed real issues in North Korea, such as unequal distribution of food resources, etc. The article is mostly sensationalist, I haven't seen anything particularly "horrifying" in those pictures.
    There are similar issues in Toronto?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    There are similar issues in Toronto?
    No.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Some of the places in Toronto look worse than that.
    You sure about that? I can contest your claims. Orillia doesn't look that bad (and it looks like the ass end of hillbilly town)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Some of the places in Toronto look worse than that.
    Does Canada forbid all foreign access to said places in Toronto too? It looks as though you chose to focus on the most minute detail of the article rather than the actual story.
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