British Justice

[Moosferatu]

British Justice has tumbled all the way down to the cesspit in the past few years or so. A person who I know is apparently to be suspended from school and possibly sent to a young offenders institute for a temporary time just because he lost his temper and threatened to attack another person with a knife. And yet, peadophiles are given mere 6 month sentences for raping 3 year old girls and filling their computers with child pornography.

Who agrees that British Justice is extremely lenient?

[Lord Kal]

Yeah, dead lenient. We gave that welsh guy only 6 months for dropping a crisp packet.

The fact he was dying of a terminal illness and had only 18 months to live was no excuse!

[Lord Tomyris]

I'd certainly say that, from what I've been hearing recently, it is rather too lenient, sometimes extremely so...

[Erik]

You can't base a whole system on just two cases.
I beleive Britis justice is still, on average, harsher than most of Europe.
Maybe they are too harsh on some crimes (like drugs) and not harsh enough on other crimes, though.

And harsh punishment doesn't work anyways.
The longer a criminal has been behind bars the more likely he is to commit a new crime when he gets out because he won't be able to function in a free society anymore.
IMO the legal system should be aimed at re-educating criminals, and those who can't/won't get re-educated should be put under supervision for the rest of their natural lives.

[Tostig]

and those who can't/won't get re-educated should be put under supervision for the rest of their natural lives.

Why bother? They'll never be released, never allowed to rejoin society... why not just hang them? It'll be cheaper.

[Erik]

Why bother? They'll never be released, never allowed to rejoin society... why not just hang them? It'll be cheaper.

That would be a workable option too.
But I'm afraid my bleeding liberal heart wil object to that.

And besides: they are just a tiny percentage of all criminals, most criminals could be released sooner, so I'm sure that overall I would still be saving money compared to the present day situation.
Especially if you consider that those who can't be re-educated would be in and out of jail for the rest of their lives anyways.

[Lord Kal]

Exactly. Punishment is a waste of time. The argument that it deters criminals has been proved wrong again and again.

[Logue]

The problem i have with the justice system is even though the person is on trial for a crime and it has not been proven it was them, they are automatically branded guilty and then if they are found inocent, people say there is no justice. But too be fair the police wouldnt hold someone with out reason... oh wait they have done it recently lol silly me what was i thinking .

[Trey]

Exactly. Punishment is a waste of time. The argument that it deters criminals has been proved wrong again and again.

No. Do you even know anyone who has been in prison? I do, and they say it haunts them, and they'll do anything not to go back there. This being said, i don't believe in extremely harsh punishments, but for cases of sex offenders, they are 99% of the time going to repeat, while others (murderers, thieves, etc.) are much less likely.

Edit: My opinion on re-education. Just think about the name, it almost sounds like some Soviet program. Most criminials know what they are doing, thus, they have no need to be re-educated, secondly, those who did in the heat of the moment (murder, assault), were controlled by their emotions, re-ducation for that? No, counseling maybe. Lastly, we come to the mentally ill. These people 99% of the time cannot be re-educated, (most of them are sex-offenders), so they should not be released where they can cause harm to society.

[Hub'ite]

Why should we waste valuable resources to re-educate criminals? Their criminals and should be treated as such. Do the crime do the time.

[Logue]

i have no problem with locking people up for life, just make sure you get the right person.

[Erik]

Why should we waste valuable resources to re-educate criminals? Their criminals and should be treated as such. Do the crime do the time.

Re-education costs a fraction of long prison sentances.
A night in a prison is as expensive as a night in a luxery hotel, you know.

Plus: if you re-educate them they can get a job so they can contribute to the economy.
If you put them in jail for, say, 5 years and then just kick them on the streets nobody wil hire them (would you hire an ex-con who didn't receive any re-education?) so they wil HAVE to resort to a life of crime.

I only want re-education to save tax money, not to do the criminals a favour.
But sadly the more expensive options usually win more votes during the elections.
Like: let's lock up every drug user (oh, and raise tax by 10% to pay for it all)
And: let's build super safe (and hugely expensive) maximum security prisons.

[MaximiIian]

Re-education costs a fraction of long prison sentances.
A night in a prison is as expensive as a night in a luxery hotel, you know.

Then just give the prisoners poorer conditions and bad food. That'll take the costs down a lot. No TV, no beds, no toilet. Just a hole in a concrete floor. No longer give them luxurious meals; instead, feed them corn husks, beans, and water.
If they die from malnutrition, then, well, they shouldn't have broken the law. Thier fault.

[hunter260859]

Bring back the firing squad that will teach them lol.

But i do aggree it can be very linent indeed.

[Carach]

the justice system is unbelievably stupid in this country.

to cut down on prison costs they should bring back execution - society has no place for peadophiles or murderers.

[Erik]

to cut down on prison costs they should bring back execution - society has no place for peadophiles or murderers.

Murderers and Pedosexuals form just a tiny fraction of inmates, so you only save a little money by executing them.

I think most inmates are drug users, would you also want to execute people for smoking pot or taking heroine?
Or burglers? do they deserve a short drop and sudden stop too?

[Kanaric]

Murderers and Pedosexuals form just a tiny fraction of inmates, so you only save a little money by executing them.

I think most inmates are drug users, would you also want to execute people for smoking pot or taking heroine?
Or burglers? do they deserve a short drop and sudden stop too?

He didn't say to do it to those people

Anyone who thinks you can reeducate criminals is not living in reality. If scolding them and telling them how to live worked their would be no crime. Unless you Clockwork Orange them re education is a joke.

[DougyM]

Commit and offence.

Serve the standard time, get all the re education they can stand.

Commit same offence again.

Be given the choice of being hanged, or sent to the army.

Simple as. They have been givent he chance to re adjust and fit back into society so if they show they cant be bothered then we should simply remove them from society.... permenantly.


And i dont meant some cushy peace time thing... i mean have them being blown up by zealots in iraq and afganistan.

If theres ever no need for them to be meat shields... then just dont offer them the option of going to the army... hang them all.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

And yes, please forgive me if i dont think scum who rape kids and kill other people or who sell drugs are worthy of living.

If that ideas not good enough....



SAW.

Make druggie scum/rapists/killers fight to live in some elaborate trap... make them saw off their feet.. make them crawl through razor wire...

I can garuantee they wouldnt be commiting any offences again.

[The Alcotroll]

Commit and offence.

Serve the standard time, get all the re education they can stand.

Commit same offence again.

Be given the choice of being hanged, or sent to the army.

No thanks. I wouldn't want to share a billet with some thieving scrote, I wouldn't want to be on a range with a re-offending murderer, I wouldn't want to have a drugged-up delinquent with authority issues giving me covering fire.
I certainly wouldn't want murderers, burglars and rapists being released back onto civvie street knowing how to efficiently negotiate obstacles, handle a firearm (properly, not gangsta-style) and perform bayonet drill.

Personally, I'd bring back hard labour and chain gangs. With a little investment, we could re-vitalise Britain's Heavy industry.

[Carach]

Anyone who thinks you can reeducate criminals is not living in reality.

some can..vast majority cant.

they need to speak criminal language, harsher punishments to discourage them from re-offending.
get rid of the luxuries they have in their cells (tvs, radios/cd players, CARPET to name a few).. the stuff they get in prison is often more than they get in real life ffs...prisons are places for punishment, not for a holiday.