Europe's Future - The Return Of Nationalism?

[Exarch]

side effects of the austerity cuts has led to anti EU sentiment and strong nationalism which threatens EU cohesion. Strong nationalism that is, which coincides with islamaphobia as well.



there is of course one way for yurop to remain united; declare war on Russia or Turkey, a crusade or something would cement the alliance and distract the ppl from austerity measures

[Holger Danske]

It is way more likely that the EU will break up than do something as insane as declare war on Russia. I certainly hope for a North/South partition so we northern europeans no longer have to pay for the incompetence of the South, and frankly I dont see what I have in common with the Italians, Greek, Portugese, or Spanish...

[King Gambrinus]

From a Northern European, the South adds so much to our culture and are generally far more friendlier and cosmopolitan.

[molonthegreat]

From a Northern European, the South adds so much to our culture and are generally far more friendlier and cosmopolitan.

We have no need of their culture and one of the reasons that they are so corrupt and inefficient is because of their culture. Northern Europe is much better off without the drain that is southern Europe.

[Exarch]

south europe is important for trade links to the mid east and all them rich cities; stop being all snooty; aren't europeans supposed to stick together? who cares if someone else is a shade more orange than usual?

[Thorn777]

Its a very stupendous form of nationalism as well. Its a neo-liberal era educated nationalism often referring to Golden and Victorian ages and such.

[hellheaven1987]

Nationalism was exactly what doomed European empires before - want to try again to doom yourself Europeans?

[Thorn777]

Why not Three Times Lucky.

[General Brittanicus]

The return? When did it leave?

[Exarch]

Its a very stupendous form of nationalism as well. Its a neo-liberal era educated nationalism often referring to Golden and Victorian ages and such.

past ages of glory and notions of 'fallen civilisations' tend to be strong rallying points of nationalism.

Nationalism was exactly what doomed European empires before - want to try again to doom yourself Europeans?

correction, nationalism doomed a strong continental hegemon that could unify the entire continent. Even when Britain was at its apex, they could never lead the continent so they were content to 'divide and profit'

[Thorn777]

past ages of glory and notions of 'fallen civilisations' tend to be strong rallying points of nationalism.

And it plays right into the hands of the corporate take-over causing most these woes.

Margret Thatcher ran with it to the moon and back. Others like Wilders and Fortuyn learned.

[hellheaven1987]

correction, nationalism doomed a strong continental hegemon that could unify the entire continent. Even when Britain was at its apex, they could never lead the continent so they were content to 'divide and profit'

I would say what really doomed European empires were not WWI but the failure to even try to assimilate their colonial subjects into the primary culture. Seriously, despite how European told about how awesome Roman Empire was they all failed to get a single idea why Roman Empire was such a success. Not a wonder why Indians wanted to leave their arrogant British master in the end.

[King Gambrinus]

Nationalism was exactly what doomed European empires before - want to try again to doom yourself Europeans?

This.


If you look at how europhile the SNP and NVA are then I don't see a problem.


the EU actually provides a federalised system for these loons.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

I don't think any of the possibilities discussed here are likely at all. Nationalism is still the dominant form of identity for Europeans, and it has never conflicted with European cooperation. In fact nationalist groups in multi-nation states are often very pro-EU. Things will remain as they are.

[Holger Danske]

Is that your argument for continuing to throw away money on them?

[Exarch]

Really? What do we have in common with you?

you both belong to what ppl term "the west"-a term whose definition, noone can ever agree on,

[King Gambrinus]

Is that your argument for us continuing to throw away money on them?

My argument is for a united Europe with no silly divisions and nationalists so we can actually compete with your Chinas and USAs and invest in growing markets instead of ting each other with bureaucracy and lies.

[Ketnix]

My argument is for a united Europe with no silly divisions and nationalists so we can actually compete with your Chinas and USAs and invest in growing markets instead of ting each other with bureaucracy and lies.

Goodluck with that.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Goodluck with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_EU

We have no need of their culture and one of the reasons that they are so corrupt and inefficient is because of their culture. Northern Europe is much better off without the drain that is southern Europe.

I don't know how much you know about Spanish Italian or Greek culture, but assuming this is true, which it isn't, it's clear they need to import some culture from the north.

[Thorn777]

North-South divide would be logical on numerous matters. But where is France...