Pro Shogun - Pro Emperor what a mess !?

[Lord Willy]

What is the sense of the Pro Shogun and Pro Emperor Feature that is the reason of the Boshin War , if all Pro Shogun factions fight with each other and all the pro Emperor Factions fight with each other till annihilation ?(The funny think is that most of the times Pro Shogun factions are allied with the Pro Emperor Factions and in war only with pro Shogun factions (or vice-versa).) I think there should be a script that makes impossib le to declare war to a faction of your same "faith" otherwise the boshin war that is the purpose of Fall of the samurai , become a farse as everybody is in war with eachother .

[Rhio]

Keep playing. Exactly What you want happens after RD.

Before that it's pretty much a free for all.

[eXistenZ]

what Rhio says. besides, you wouldnt be able to expand decently at the sart since most pro-emperor are in the south, and most pro-shogun in the north

[Elitewolf]

Not this again D:

There's at least one more topic about this, and there have probably been more. The Boshin war hasn't really kicked off yet at the start, which is why you can switch sides. When the clans are relaly embroiled in war the Emperor and shogun appoint their vanguard, and the rest of the faction will join the vanguard in the war against the opposing faction, which is when the real war starts. Before it's just the usual skirmishes and power struggles of a divided nation.

[Rhio]

Before it's just the usual skirmishes and power struggles of a divided nation.

Sure you can call it that... Though I prefer "assertive unification"

[Elitewolf]

Sure you can call it that... Though I prefer "assertive unification"

I call it: "make allies, conquer a province, then get curbstomped by the entirety of japan because your ally switched sides"

The extremely frequent sideswitching (all clans seem to aspire to be on the other side of the conflict than you) is the only thing about the whole pro-shogun/emperor thing I really hate.

[Lord Willy]

Im sorry but what is the RD? And EliteWolf , you say at the start but im already at turn 45 .

[Elitewolf]

Im sorry but what is the RD? And EliteWolf , you say at the start but im already at turn 45 .

The start is pretty much until RD hits.

RD=realm divide. If you look at the clan management screen you'll see a bar noting your clan fame. It's not tied to turns or time but to the amount of provinces you have and your daimyo honor. When it fills up, you have the choice to become the vanguard of your current faction (shogun or emperor) or starting for yourself (causing everyone to go to war with you)

Whatever you choose, all shogun clans will immediately ally with likeminded clans, and declare war on all imperial clans. The imperial clans will do the same. Thus, the infighting stops and all out war between the emperor and shogun really starts. As an added bonus to that, you can no longer declare war on clans of the same allegiance (so as vanguard of the shogun you can no longer declare war on shogunate clans)

If you declare yourself independent you will form your own republic and everyone declares war on you. But the shogun clans will still fight the imperial clans and the other way around.

So basically, till realm divide hits everyone gets to curbstomp their neighbors and pick their sides. When RD hits everyone sticks to their sides (except for you if you choose republic) and the imperial clans and shogunate clans duke it out to find the winner.

[Lord Willy]

The start is pretty much until RD hits.

RD=realm divide. If you look at the clan management screen you'll see a bar noting your clan fame. It's not tied to turns or time but to the amount of provinces you have and your daimyo honor. When it fills up, you have the choice to become the vanguard of your current faction (shogun or emperor) or starting for yourself (causing everyone to go to war with you)

Whatever you choose, all shogun clans will immediately ally with likeminded clans, and declare war on all imperial clans. The imperial clans will do the same. Thus, the infighting stops and all out war between the emperor and shogun really starts. As an added bonus to that, you can no longer declare war on clans of the same allegiance (so as vanguard of the shogun you can no longer declare war on shogunate clans)

If you declare yourself independent you will form your own republic and everyone declares war on you. But the shogun clans will still fight the imperial clans and the other way around.

So basically, till realm divide hits everyone gets to curbstomp their neighbors and pick their sides. When RD hits everyone sticks to their sides (except for you if you choose republic) and the imperial clans and shogunate clans duke it out to find the winner.

Right thank you ! And sorry if there are other threads about this argument , but i havent seen any and havent much time on searching them .

Admin you can close this.

[fws2468]

I still think the option of declaring war on same loyalty clans should remain pre-realm divide. In deciding whether to attack same loyalty clans pre-RD, it all depends on which clan you play and its starting position. If your clan starts on kyushu or shikoku with another sharing the same allegiance, it's better to attack it anyway to gain full control of the island and its ports and economy. For me, it's a no brainer to attack any other clans on kyushu or shikoku regardless of loyalty if I start on those islands.

Beyond that however, attacking same allegiance clans will significantly cannibalize your own victory count of loyal provinces. It's easier to just let them expand to add to your victory count. In fact, my same loyalty ally captured Kyoto before I did and that was included in my victory count! So it's in the player's interests to support such allies all the way. They also act as a buffer on a different front, which allows you to focus your forces elsewhere. Teamwork and cooperation never mattered as much in previous TWs in the series as fots.

[Radzeer]

Yep, let's just do that. Closed.