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    NEW YORK (Reuters) - A former researcher at Amgen Inc has found that many basic studies on cancer -- a high proportion of them from university labs -- are unreliable, with grim consequences for producing new medicines in the future. During a decade as head of global cancer research at Amgen, C. Glenn Begley identified 53 "landmark" publications -- papers in top journals, from reputable labs -- for his team to reproduce. Begley sought to double-check the findings before trying to build on them for drug development.
    Result: 47 of the 53 could not be replicated. He described his findings in a commentary piece published on Wednesday in the journal Nature.
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    "It was shocking," said Begley, now senior vice president of privately held biotechnology company TetraLogic, which develops cancer drugs. "These are the studies the pharmaceutical industry relies on to identify new targets for drug development. But if you're going to place a $1 million or $2 million or $5 million bet on an observation, you need to be sure it's true. As we tried to reproduce these papers we became convinced you can't take anything at face value."
    The failure to win "the war on cancer" has been blamed on many factors, from the use of mouse models that are irrelevant to human cancers to risk-averse funding agencies. But recently a new culprit has emerged: too many basic scientific discoveries, done in animals or cells growing in lab dishes and meant to show the way to a new drug, are wrong.
    Begley's experience echoes a report from scientists at Bayer AG last year. Neither group of researchers alleges fraud, nor would they identify the research they had tried to replicate.
    But they and others fear the phenomenon is the product of a skewed system of incentives that has academics cutting corners to further their careers.
    George Robertson of Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia previously worked at Merck on neurodegenerative diseases such as Parkinson's. While at Merck, he also found many academic studies that did not hold up.
    "It drives people in industry crazy. Why are we seeing a collapse of the pharma and biotech industries? One possibility is that academia is not providing accurate findings," he said.
    BELIEVE IT OR NOT
    Over the last two decades, the most promising route to new cancer drugs has been one pioneered by the discoverers of Gleevec, the Novartis drug that targets a form of leukemia, and Herceptin, Genentech's breast-cancer drug. In each case, scientists discovered a genetic change that turned a normal cell into a malignant one. Those findings allowed them to develop a molecule that blocks the cancer-producing process.
    This approach led to an explosion of claims of other potential "druggable" targets. Amgen tried to replicate the new papers before launching its own drug-discovery projects.
    Scientists at Bayer did not have much more success. In a 2011 paper titled, "Believe it or not," they analyzed in-house projects that built on "exciting published data" from basic science studies. "Often, key data could not be reproduced," wrote Khusru Asadullah, vice president and head of target discovery at Bayer HealthCare in Berlin, and colleagues.
    Of 47 cancer projects at Bayer during 2011, less than one-quarter could reproduce previously reported findings, despite the efforts of three or four scientists working full time for up to a year. Bayer dropped the projects.
    Bayer and Amgen found that the prestige of a journal was no guarantee a paper would be solid. "The scientific community assumes that the claims in a preclinical study can be taken at face value," Begley and Lee Ellis of MD Anderson Cancer Center wrote in Nature. It assumes, too, that "the main message of the paper can be relied on ... Unfortunately, this is not always the case."
    When the Amgen replication team of about 100 scientists could not confirm reported results, they contacted the authors. Those who cooperated discussed what might account for the inability of Amgen to confirm the results. Some let Amgen borrow antibodies and other materials used in the original study or even repeat experiments under the original authors' direction.
    Some authors required the Amgen scientists sign a confidentiality agreement barring them from disclosing data at odds with the original findings. "The world will never know" which 47 studies -- many of them highly cited -- are apparently wrong, Begley said.
    The most common response by the challenged scientists was: "you didn't do it right." Indeed, cancer biology is fiendishly complex, noted Phil Sharp, a cancer biologist and Nobel laureate at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
    Even in the most rigorous studies, the results might be reproducible only in very specific conditions, Sharp explained: "A cancer cell might respond one way in one set of conditions and another way in different conditions. I think a lot of the variability can come from that."
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    Other scientists worry that something less innocuous explains the lack of reproducibility.
    Part way through his project to reproduce promising studies, Begley met for breakfast at a cancer conference with the lead scientist of one of the problematic studies.
    "We went through the paper line by line, figure by figure," said Begley. "I explained that we re-did their experiment 50 times and never got their result. He said they'd done it six times and got this result once, but put it in the paper because it made the best story. It's very disillusioning."
    Such selective publication is just one reason the scientific literature is peppered with incorrect results.
    For one thing, basic science studies are rarely "blinded" the way clinical trials are. That is, researchers know which cell line or mouse got a treatment or had cancer. That can be a problem when data are subject to interpretation, as a researcher who is intellectually invested in a theory is more likely to interpret ambiguous evidence in its favor.
    The problem goes beyond cancer.
    On Tuesday, a committee of the National Academy of Sciences heard testimony that the number of scientific papers that had to be retracted increased more than tenfold over the last decade; the number of journal articles published rose only 44 percent.
    Ferric Fang of the University of Washington, speaking to the panel, said he blamed a hypercompetitive academic environment that fosters poor science and even fraud, as too many researchers compete for diminishing funding.
    "The surest ticket to getting a grant or job is getting published in a high-profile journal," said Fang. "This is an unhealthy belief that can lead a scientist to engage in sensationalism and sometimes even dishonest behavior."
    The academic reward system discourages efforts to ensure a finding was not a fluke. Nor is there an incentive to verify someone else's discovery. As recently as the late 1990s, most potential cancer-drug targets were backed by 100 to 200 publications. Now each may have fewer than half a dozen.
    "If you can write it up and get it published you're not even thinking of reproducibility," said Ken Kaitin, director of the Tufts Center for the Study of Drug Development. "You make an observation and move on. There is no incentive to find out it was wrong."
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    I've always argued that you can't trust peer reviewed literature just because its peer reviewed. I've seen enough of it in "Climate Change" to know how that game can go. I'm a bit disheartened though at apparently how deep this might go.

    The question is how to change science from being a "publish or perish" into being a good scientist. Its interesting that it was the commercial side of science that uncovered the fraud and incompetence, not the "pure" academic side.

    This may come as a shock to those who will yell "Big Oil" or "Big Pharma" without pausing but thinks if it comes from a University, they are not under pressure to find certain findings, or ANY findings.

    Its scientific rigor which must be awarded as much as discovery.
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    Closing words of Feynman's "Cargo Cult Science" commencement address for CalTech Students.

    So I have just one wish for you--the good luck to be somewhere where you are free to maintain the kind of integrity I have described, and where you do not feel forced by a need to maintain your position in the organization, or financial support, or so on, to lose your integrity. May you have that freedom.
    But yeah, a big problem in this is the amount of money involved. Cancer research is something like $5 billion a year, and academic positions in the field are lucrative. Prestige is greatly linked to how "groundbreaking" what you publish is, how much you publish, and in how prestigious a journal you publish in. All of which are not very tightly linked to how accurate your results are.

    There is a movement to get away from the peer reviewed journal system into more of a "community" system where there are not just a few gate keepers (editors at Science/Nature etc.), but rather a community a la Wikipedia which scrutinize papers in a social networking sort of way. The barrier to entry is lower, but the need to develop a reputation is greater. It is a thought at least.

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    During a decade as head of global cancer research at Amgen, C. Glenn Begley identified 53 "landmark" publications -- papers in top journals, from reputable labs -- for his team to reproduce. Begley sought to double-check the findings before trying to build on them for drug development.
    Result: 47 of the 53 could not be replicated. He described his findings in a commentary piece published on Wednesday in the journal Nature.
    so someone actually decided to check their work? maybe it was integrity or maybe it was just good business sense considering every other month I see a new commercial from a law firm looking for people who've suffered severe side affects or even lost loved ones over the use of some prescription drug.

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    I think there are several issues contributing to the break down of peer review.

    1) Publish or perish as described in your initial post. The way research funds are distributed is also a major issue in this. Right now my supervisor got a budget that is completely controlled by the EU a horde of angry bureaucrat would descend upon him with great vengeance and fury if he spent a single cent on things not specified in the grant.

    2) An explosion of journals. Nowadays it is always possible to find some kind of stupid backwater journal willing to publish your papers. As a researcher you can just write something complicated and submit to low quality journals into you find one where both reviewers are too lazy to call you out on the low quality.

    3) Lack of an incentive to be tough in reviews. I finished my first peer-review half an hour ago and it is quite obvious that I was selected based on the shortlist of suggested referees made by the author. If I was cynical then I could easily let a poor paper pass into a poor journal and do a friend a favor.

    My solutions

    1) Set up special funding for verification of high impact research. A gifted researcher should be able to fund his own research by dedicating a part of his or her time to test the veracity of other peoples research. Companies also need to adapt and test research before making it a part of drug development or other research.

    2) Not really problem, if the paper is published in a weak journal with one or two reviewers, then it should be evident that the paper is less reliable. Papers should however be prohibited from making "conference specials". I have noticed that these special issues are an excellent way for researchers to sneak low quality papers into decent journals. It is rather obvious that the conference managers are more interested in getting more attendants than they are in maintaining the quality of the journal who's name they borrow.

    3) The first thing should of course be to stop journals from using dumb ass biased reviewers as myself for peer-review . The 2nd thing should be to use peer-review to influence who's eligible for verification funds so that you get a financial incentive to take down bad research.

    Edit: I also want to make it clear that I did not support publication of the paper despite the fact that I got some personal connections with one of the authors. I do not see myself as an academical researcher, but at least the time I spend in academical research is going to be conducted with dignity.

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    The original idea for Wikipedia was actually something open source as it is now but ran by experts who provided peer review in an open fashion.

    I don't know enough of the politics and dealings to understand how or even if you could properly open source academic research. It sounds atrociously difficult if not impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    The original idea for Wikipedia was actually something open source as it is now but ran by experts who provided peer review in an open fashion.

    I don't know enough of the politics and dealings to understand how or even if you could properly open source academic research. It sounds atrociously difficult if not impossible.
    Open source isn't really an issue. Several papers have the authors pay for publication rather than readers pay for access. The problem is that researchers are benefitting from publishing inaccurrate results and that there are not enough independent verification of results.

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    In fairness, I'm not sure this a problem specifically with the peer review system. Peer review is not intended to repeat the experiments, just to ensure that the methodology and conclusions are valid. This kind of issue would probably exist regardless of peer review. I suppose, however, that peer review may result in a false sense of assurance in certain results.

    I would be interested to see how this stood up in other, less lucrative fields too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
    I think there are several issues contributing to the break down of peer review.

    1) Publish or perish as described in your initial post. The way research funds are distributed is also a major issue in this. Right now my supervisor got a budget that is completely controlled by the EU a horde of angry bureaucrat would descend upon him with great vengeance and fury if he spent a single cent on things not specified in the grant.
    And if they wouldn't be ready to descend upon him with great vengeance, a mob of anti-EU fanatics would rejoice at the opportunity to point out the waste of money on useless research.

    But in general, I agree with you. The current rating system for funding and jobs which based almost entirely on publications is the result of an econometric approach to "measuring" science which has failed to produce adequate results, instead resulting in lots of abuse and inefficiency.

    2) An explosion of journals. Nowadays it is always possible to find some kind of stupid backwater journal willing to publish your papers. As a researcher you can just write something complicated and submit to low quality journals into you find one where both reviewers are too lazy to call you out on the low quality.
    Again, I agree. A direct result of (1) and the oligopoly of a few scientific publishers, which charge ridiculous amounts of money to sell back the work that was funded by the public and carried out by researchers to the very same public and researchers.

    3) Lack of an incentive to be tough in reviews. I finished my first peer-review half an hour ago and it is quite obvious that I was selected based on the shortlist of suggested referees made by the author. If I was cynical then I could easily let a poor paper pass into a poor journal and do a friend a favor.
    Here I don't agree with you - why should there be an additional incentive to be tough? It's impossible to review the reviewers, that's why good journals have three per paper. It's unlikely that the other two would repeat your favor, and the editor would notice what you have done.

    My solutions

    1) Set up special funding for verification of high impact research. A gifted researcher should be able to fund his own research by dedicating a part of his or her time to test the veracity of other peoples research. Companies also need to adapt and test research before making it a part of drug development or other research.
    You don't need special funding, we need to abolish the econometric approach to evaluating science.

    2) Not really problem, if the paper is published in a weak journal with one or two reviewers, then it should be evident that the paper is less reliable. Papers should however be prohibited from making "conference specials". I have noticed that these special issues are an excellent way for researchers to sneak low quality papers into decent journals. It is rather obvious that the conference managers are more interested in getting more attendants than they are in maintaining the quality of the journal who's name they borrow.
    Hey, some of my publications are conference specials!
    3) The first thing should of course be to stop journals from using dumb ass biased reviewers as myself for peer-review . The 2nd thing should be to use peer-review to influence who's eligible for verification funds so that you get a financial incentive to take down bad research.
    Yep. I once had to review a paper from collegues. The second reviewer was my office mate. It's a respected journal! Oops. But that just let us review tougher

    But in this particular case (the OP), I think peer-review is not the real problem:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack04 View Post
    In fairness, I'm not sure this a problem specifically with the peer review system. Peer review is not intended to repeat the experiments, just to ensure that the methodology and conclusions are valid. This kind of issue would probably exist regardless of peer review. I suppose, however, that peer review may result in a false sense of assurance in certain results.

    I would be interested to see how this stood up in other, less lucrative fields too.
    Full ack. The problem in the OP is the non-disclosure of the raw data that fueled the original research paper. But in all honesty, I don't think the disclosure of the raw data and results can be the solution in big-data research areas - peer-review is time-consuming as is.

    In a way, peer-review has worked: It led to paper that let other researcher try to replicate the experiments. That's the whole point!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eisenkopf View Post
    And if they wouldn't be ready to descend upon him with great vengeance, a mob of anti-EU fanatics would rejoice at the opportunity to point out the waste of money on useless research.
    The CAP system is far less regulated than the science funding so I doubt it. The French fiasco fusion reactor has also largely gone unnoticed so far. Paying a certain sum and evaluating based on key deliverables would probably be enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by eisenkopf View Post
    But in general, I agree with you. The current rating system for funding and jobs which based almost entirely on publications is the result of an econometric approach to "measuring" science which has failed to produce adequate results, instead resulting in lots of abuse and inefficiency.
    There is always going to be some econometric tools used to decide on what researcher to fund. The reason that I would like to see specialized funding for reviewers is that skilled reviewers could use funding to conduct experimental validation of suspiscious articles.

    I am quite certain that researchers like Dr Rosie Redfield would be willing to conduct more validation research if they got the funds and appreciation for it. The arsenide bacteria was a high profile case she refuted (see here) but there is a lot of other poor research that really should be dealt with.

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    If it don't make dollars it don't make cents.

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    A realated point to the OP is the lack of negative results being valued or published.
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    The system is based on a time when people were more honest
    whoa... there.

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    Watson and Crick weren’t peer reviewed
    Too bad really because than they might have had to credit Rosalind Franklin but likely not she has tits what did she know about SCIENCE she should not have been in the lab anyway - just ask Phier.

    But in fact they were - they published in Nature as I recall - the Peer Review of the time might let you ignore women but it was still Nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Too bad really because than they might have had to credit Rosalind Franklin but likely not she has tits what did she know about SCIENCE she should not have been in the lab anyway - just ask Phier.
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    I'm calling you out on this. Please give citations or kindly keep unfounded opinions to yourself, I'm going to guess its a reading comprehension issue.

    Added peer review wouldn't do anything to change who gets credit, no one asked when I submitted papers who else may have worked on them, thats now how its done.
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    I did as I always do. Doesn't change the fact you're using it as a political tool. If you could try and be a scientist for one second and read the tone of the article it's very obvious it is also trying to make itself into a political tool.

    Begley sought to double-check the findings before trying to build on them for drug development.
    Double check? As in peer-review? Oops.

    It's like you're taking the number 3 and saying it's the only prime number, ignoring the fact that 1 and 5 and 7 and etc are also prime numbers. Checking your facts is a property of science and that's the idea of a peer review. Facts which are verified to be accurate over and over become accepted, facts which are not verified or rather disproven fall to obscurity. Any checking of the facts is peer review, I can't for the life of me understand your anger that it did not happen in the first journal it was published in and even then it should be expected that many theoretical things don't work in the real world. We do not understand the real world so how can you ever hope to expect that our theoretical approaches would always be validated in a theoretical approach? Of course many ideas should be found be inaccurate when they're practically applied because we do not understand all of reality yet enough to theoretically account for every portion of it. You're like a creationist complaining about science changing all the time. It's pitiful.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review

    Get back to me when you are done reading. Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review

    Get back to me when you are done reading. Seriously.
    Perhaps you should read it yourself. You're arguing about a specific type of peer review and its theoretical approaches in journals as though that covers the entirety of the veil of peer review when in fact every time anything is approached to be applied it is also being peer reviewed. Your attack is coming from a misinformed notion that global warming is a conspiracy and by attacking the peer review journal process you feel you can maintain your intellectual honesty.

    The mistake, of course, is to have thought that peer review was any more than a crude means of discovering the acceptability—not the validity—of a new finding.
    This is what you need to comprehend. Now we also need to point out this quote is from someone discussing peer review only in published journals in the modern system. He is not discussing peer review in its totality (even the article you linked defines different types of peer review) and to try and say he's not all for accountability and checking whether or not science is correct through the independent verification and survival of scrutiny from other scientists in its totality is silly. This delineation is woefully missing in your posts and you're too intelligent to miss that. So not only are you indicating to the layman that you're arguing against the scientific process which is silly but you're also spreading your position that because of this peer review climate change is unreliable despite practical, and empirical peer review that denies this position.

    I could easily get behind this thread if it wasn't simply a baseless attack on peer review in general and instead was specific about the issues in the modern peer review process. I'll agree they exist. But to deny that the peer review process is effective at weeding out positively bad science from the pile of ideas is woefully ignorant. More importantly the issue isn't in the peer review process itself but rather in the perception of it's finalness. Science must be seen as a never ending process of peer review or you're doing it wrong.

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    Personally i think that much of this goes around the fact that specialists in certain fields all know each other. Often a paper is reviewed by guy who, in turn, will be reviewed by him. This leads to certain situations. But in the end there will always be someone willing to test these things when money is on the table.


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    But isn't that how it is with anything? the higher you advance the more successful you become the more connected you are?

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    Arguably the most important aspect of the entire peer review system:

    Postpublication reviews

    The process of peer review does not end after a paper completes the peer review process. After being put to press, and after 'the ink is dry', the process of peer review continues as publications are read. Readers will often send letters to the editor of a journal, or correspond with the editor via an on-line journal club. In this way, all 'peers' may offer review and critique of published literature. A variation on this theme is open peer commentary; journals using this process solicit and publish non-anonymous commentaries on the "target paper" together with the paper, and with original authors' reply as a matter of course. The introduction of the "epub ahead of print" practice in many journals has made possible the simultaneous publication of unsolicited letters to the editor together with the original paper in the print issue.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_re...cation_reviews

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