Star forts and cannon towers disappointment

**Lionheart11** · April 04, 2012, 05:04 PM

So i wanted a fight with using a star fort and cannon towers as defence, i had to hold back the Ai for 20 turns to build it and once i built it the Ai would not come near me. So i forced a revoult and rebel force to rise up against me

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Now to the star fort, although great i quite disappointed that its the same castle just modified

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They are not actually star forts at all

Cannon towers, gatling towers and bombardment are interesting but you dont see the galting guns

and the cannons are inside the walls

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What are your views on Fots starforts and the towers/canons?.

I was expecting a full star fort as is shown in the tech tree and on the campaign map, but once you go on the battle map it nothing like it

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**♘Top Hat Zebra** · April 04, 2012, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Lionheart11

So i wanted a fight with using a star fort and cannon towers as defence, i had to hold back the Ai for 20 turns to build it and once i built it the Ai would not come near me. So i forced a revoult and rebel force to rise up against me

.

Now to the star fort, although great i quite disappointed that its the same castle just modified

.

They are not actually star forts at all

Cannon towers, gatling towers and bombardment are interesting but you dont see the galting guns

and the cannons are inside the walls

.

What are your views on Fots starforts and the towers/canons?.

I was expecting a full star fort as is shown in the tech tree and on the campaign map, but once you go on the battle map it nothing like it

.

What!?!?

That's retarded! I mean, they had the starfort model from ETW, why couldn't they just use it?

**Drtad** · April 04, 2012, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by ♘Top Hat Zebra

What!?!?

That's retarded! I mean, they had the starfort model from ETW, why couldn't they just use it?

I don't think they can port anything whatsoever from ETW or NTW.

**DarkArk** · April 04, 2012, 08:16 PM

That's retarded! I mean, they had the starfort model from ETW, why couldn't they just use it?

Because it was

ing terrible? I really don't mind the star forts in FotS, it suffers from not having a proper moat but then all TW sieges have.

Also the cannons on the walls totally destroy advancing units; they're quite useful if you can ever use them. Was also disappointed in gatling towers, I was expecting there to be a tower with a gatling gun on it. Oh well.

**♘Top Hat Zebra** · April 04, 2012, 08:23 PM

I haven't used the FotS starfort, but from Lionheart's post, it sounds like it's just another castle, and not a starfort.

**Swerg** · April 04, 2012, 08:35 PM

CA probably should have called them 'modernized castles.' 'Star fort' has a specific implication as far as design and suchlike goes. The 'star forts' in the game are just old castles with some modern bits tacked on.

**DeValiere** · April 04, 2012, 09:25 PM

It would have been nice to see real star forts in Empire, let alone FoTS. I suppose in some ways this a a grey area of the game where you have some historical basis for star forts in Japan but certainly not wide spread usage versus a game requirement where the player can build one wherever they choose to. Given the way FoTS was developed I suppose it makes sense that they adapted what they already had rather than a completely new star fort map. They could at least have recreated the ones that actually existed - that would have been a nice touch.

**♘Top Hat Zebra** · April 04, 2012, 09:33 PM

Oh.

But, they're CA. Surely they can?

I mean, they only thing we can't port is Units, right? Because of the different skeletons.

But a starfort would just be a model.

I could be wrong though.

**Drtad** · April 04, 2012, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by ♘Top Hat Zebra

Oh.

But, they're CA. Surely they can?

I mean, they only thing we can't port is Units, right? Because of the different skeletons.

But a starfort would just be a model.

I could be wrong though.

You could be wrong, you could be right. I thought they couldn't do it at all.

**♘Top Hat Zebra** · April 04, 2012, 09:39 PM

I don't know enough about it, actually, to say either way.

**Swerg** · April 04, 2012, 10:02 PM

I'm pretty sure people had stopped building 'proper' star forts by the time of FOTS anyway. Accurate plunging fire from artillery had made the elaborate earthworks and such fairly obsolete. By the Crimean War, the fad in Europe was leaning towards gigantic concrete monstrosities and bunkers.

**~~weirdoascensor~~** · April 05, 2012, 12:39 AM

could somebody give some screenshots of the starfort?

**Lionheart11** · April 05, 2012, 02:06 AM

Ok i will try take a screenie, but yeah its the same exact castle with a handful of lame small star fort edges to it.

My major gripe is the picture on the tech tree and campaign map is totally different, In the tech tree and campaign map it looks like a star fort but in battle its just a castle... i mean what the..

**Xaosan** · April 05, 2012, 02:35 AM

Depends on the map you are on but im perfectly fine with the model for the fort and the gun batteries are perfectly balanced as the towers contain both cannons and gatling guns with a rapid fire ability. The forts are just a huge citadel with star fort style walls which is perfectly fine with me, as id doubt the entire citadels would be demolished to rebuild them into start forts they would just use modern tech to improve existing design. Other than the sheer size of it if you have anything less than a 20 stack army defending it you can easily lose the outer walls and the towers which becomes a problem if they are gun batteries as cannon and gatling fire into the base can cause extremely high casulties. But as i said overall i'm pretty happy with the star forts and gun batteries.

**Ferdiad** · April 05, 2012, 03:25 PM

How effective are they against armys though?

**Lionheart11** · April 05, 2012, 10:10 PM

Behold a mighty starfort.. hmmm lol

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**~~themichaelx~~** · April 06, 2012, 12:10 AM

I like it. A multi-tier castle with optimized firing coverage. The AI would never root me out of that thing.

**~~weirdoascensor~~** · April 06, 2012, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Lionheart11

Behold a mighty starfort.. hmmm lol

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

So, advisor, all those thousands i pour to this project gone for some Pointy Kuruwa!? IT DONT EVEN SHAPED LIKE A STAR

**Lazarus** · April 06, 2012, 02:26 AM

That particular star fort is a load of bollocks. Hopefully some of the other castles will be better then that one...

**Kinjo** · April 06, 2012, 07:34 AM

I think the star fort sucks, it takes a tremendous amount of cash and research only for walls that have a few extra points. As for the towers I think they would be fine if they were in better locations and there was a few more of them. Also it would be neat if cannon towers were on the outer ring walls while gatling and rifle towers were on the inter ring walls including the top tier. I am grateful we have the option to upgrade our castles towers again just wish they were implemented a little different.