Antideutsche

[Guy]

As most of you know, I am a left wing idiot. That means that I know other left wing idiots. Most of us left wing idiots are quite reasonable people. We make you shout, become angry and even sometimes write very harshly worded replies. However, quite recently, I came across a group of lefties I just couldn't quite sum up. Now there is a group mostly housed in central Europe named ANTIFA or "Antifaschistische Aktion," in referal to its original German name. It is a militant organisation which is strongly against Nazism and all that is fascist. But, like every political group, it has its own factions.

Now in Germany there is an ANTIFA faction known as "Antideutsche" which translates to "anti-German." They claim to be communists who are against anti-Zionism, Nazism and similarly fascism. They way the express their ideology, however, is a little disturbing. Let's have a look at a photo, shall we?



Firstly, they blindly support the state of Israel and all that is Israeli. This means they openly support the IDF regardless of what it does along with anything that is against support for the nation of Palestine. According to reports I've read in the past on libcom.org, they have also attacked Muslims too. Here is a quotation from a lefty on the website:

They perceive Arabs and Muslims in general as backward (mildly put) and in fact describe them in terms right out of the Nazi vocabulary re 'Untermenschen'. Anti-deutsche twits have also assaulted migrants whom they took for Muslims, both verbally and physically. So while taking special pride in being paragons of anti-semitism, they are definitely racist.

Secondly, it takes merely a Google search to find some interesting pictures of this bunch of confused militants. They openly wave US as well as Israeli flags to the faces of onlookers giving those nations their full support - and I do literally mean their full support. Anything the Americans, British or Israelis do is right, by their standards. Be it war or football, anything German is Nazi-related. The Allies beat the Nazis; the Allies must always then be right. The hypocrisy is quite evident I would assume by this point in my little rant. To claim to be a group "For communism" whilst proudly waving a US flag... Well, I wouldn't like to ask for Stalin's opinion on the matter.

A further quotation:

They also managed to become quite (in)famous for taking along Israeli and US flags to every protest they showed up for, in many cases in violation of prior agreements of not carrying any flags (if you criticize these violations, of course you're anti-semitic).

Lastly, I'd be really interested to see the feedback this group receives. Reading through an article on them, it took a while for my jaw fit back in its place. Am I right in thinking this is bizarre or have I just lost the entire plot again?

Capitalistic-communist-Zionism, anyone?

[molonthegreat]

ANTIFA is nothing but scum who causes havoc and wants to fight people, so I'm not surprised at all that they spawn an idiotic splinter group such as this. It is like the great Churchill said, "the fascists of the future will be called anti-fascists" .

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

ANTIFA is nothing but scum who causes havoc and wants to fight people, so I'm not surprised at all that they spawn an idiotic splinter group such as this. It is like the great Churchill said, "the fascists of the future will be called anti-fascists" .

You mean like..how Churchill was called an Anti-Fascist? Now..on the subject...here is a wikipedia article..I'll study the subject beyond this and get back to this thread, but here is the link for anyone else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ge...itical_current)

[DaVinci]

Now in Germany there is an ANTIFA faction known as "Antideutsche" ...

Lol. I'm german and as well anti-fascist, never heard of that bunch of idiots. And yes, you are right, this is bizarre indeed for what they go with their placates. Embarrassing.

Edit: Looks nearly like a photo-montage, a fake, but i believe it for now that they exist. Stupidy knows no borders.

[athanaric]

Edit: Looks nearly like a photo-montage, a fake, but i believe it for now that they exist. Stupidy knows no borders.

No these guys are real. Unfortunately. IMO it's a case of collective Oedipus complex (not sure if that's its English name as well).

The great irony is that ANTIFA mostly anarchists or anarcho-syndicalists as opposed to fascists who are authoritarian nationalists. Being anti-capitalists, you'd imagine there want to cause a little bit of trouble is justified in their eyes.

They fight people who wish to slaughter Jews and non-whites, yes. After all, they are an openly militant group. It's like saying "All cows want to do is produce milk!"

Yeah... that's what they think they're doing. If you look at it from a certain distance, you'll see just another group of violent hate-mongers, just like their neo-Nazi "opponents" (rivals, more realistically).


edit: I think these guys are to Germany what Neturei Karta is to Israel. Apart from being the true heirs to Otto Weininger.

[nce_wht_guy]

Kill it with FIRE!!!!!!

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

Here is a similar group in the U.S...there is (unsurprisingly) a lot of criticism from the left..I agree with almost all of it, so I'm not sure I can add much to this discussion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypu...liated_Society

[Guy]

Lol. I'm german and as well anti-fascist, never heard of that bunch of idiots. And yes, you are right, this is bizarre indeed for what they go with their placates. Embarrassing.

Edit: Looks nearly like a photo-montage, a fake, but i believe it for now that they exist. Stupidy knows no borders.

Well we have a little more in common than you might think!

I went to the recent Block Dresden protest in February. I saw a small group of them. I don't think I've ever meant "What the-?" so much in my entire life! It's amazing to see such an active anti-fascist vibe in Germany. Much respect.

Here is a similar group in the U.S...there is (unsurprisingly) a lot of criticism from the left..I agree with almost all of it, so I'm not sure I can add much to this discussion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypu...liated_Society

[molonthegreat]

Well we have a little more in common than you might think!

I went to the recent Block Dresden protest in February. I saw a small group of them. I don't think I've ever meant "What the-?" so much in my entire life! It's amazing to see such an active anti-fascist vibe in Germany. Much respect.

ANTIFA is nothing but thugs out looking for troubles and they're just as bad as fascists, I dunno how anyone can support them when they're just hooligans looking for a fight.

[Guy]

ANTIFA is nothing but scum who causes havoc and wants to fight people, so I'm not surprised at all that they spawn an idiotic splinter group such as this. It is like the great Churchill said, "the fascists of the future will be called anti-fascists" .

ANTIFA is nothing but thugs out looking for troubles and they're just as bad as fascists, I dunno how anyone can support them when they're just hooligans looking for a fight.

The great irony is that ANTIFA mostly anarchists or anarcho-syndicalists as opposed to fascists who are authoritarian nationalists. Being anti-capitalists, you'd imagine there want to cause a little bit of trouble is justified in their eyes.

They fight people who wish to slaughter Jews and non-whites, yes. After all, they are an openly militant group. It's like saying "All cows want to do is produce milk!"

[Dr. Croccer]

The great irony is that ANTIFA mostly anarchists or anarcho-syndicalists as opposed to fascists who are authoritarian nationalists. Being anti-capitalists, you'd imagine there want to cause a little bit of trouble is justified in their eyes.

They fight people who wish to slaughter Jews and non-whites, yes. After all, they are an openly militant group. It's like saying "All cows want to do is produce milk!"

They're losers who beat people up for ideological reasons fighting other losers who beat people up for ideological reasons. Governments should just let them fight to the death and soincrease the average IQ by a few points worldwide.

[molonthegreat]

The great irony is that ANTIFA mostly anarchists or anarcho-syndicalists as opposed to fascists who are authoritarian nationalists. Being anti-capitalists, you'd imagine there want to cause a little bit of trouble is justified in their eyes.

They fight people who wish to slaughter Jews and non-whites, yes. After all, they are an openly militant group. It's like saying "All cows want to do is produce milk!"

Not only that they fight the police and generally cause havoc, they're just as bad as Nazis and I think Dr Croccer is onto something.

[DaVinci]

Well we have a little more in common than you might think!

I went to the recent Block Dresden protest in February. I saw a small group of them. I don't think I've ever meant "What the-?" so much in my entire life! It's amazing to see such an active anti-fascist vibe in Germany. Much respect.

It's similar to quite some neo-nazi groups today (and including the origins of the NSDAP along Anton Drexler, 1919/1920) grabbing people from traditional opposed left groups, when they promote anti-establishment/anti-elitism, anti-capitalism/anti-bourgeois-ism, and even pro-socialist (even if they remain national-socialist) etc. items.
It's called the "crosswing-code-grabbing" member-organisation ... just getting as much (extremist and with-runner) idiots as possible into their groups.

Sounds like a bunch of idiots with no sense of reality.

DEUSTCHLAND UBER ALLES!!

Yes, to sentence no. 1.

No, to sentence no. 2 - of course you mean it ironically, imo. it is non-related here, not fitting.

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As for the original Antifa of Germany, look here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa (german ... if you use the left side button/english site, you won't find a translation but the according british movement though, which is not the same).

[Claudius Gothicus]

Yes, to sentence no. 1.

No, to sentence no. 2 - of course you mean it ironically, imo. it is non-related here, not fitting.

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I repeat Deustchland Uber Alles, what's with it? it's a nice anthem and far more enlightened than those of some neighbors(cough cough La Marseillaise) and represents everything that should be contrasted to the stupid behavior of these nut jobs.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Sounds like a bunch of idiots with no sense of reality.

DEUSTCHLAND UBER ALLES!!

[s.rwitt]

The whole "self hating x" thing is a common feature among far lefties.

[Guy]

The whole "self hating x" thing is a common feature among far lefties.

Very true. I've seen these stickers a few times whilst waiting for the underground in Berlin.



Quite interesting to think that "Let's Fight White Pride" is an organised group. I hate racism just as much as the next anarcho-syndicalist, but let's fight for human pride, no?

[cookiemonster]

i am surpised that they support Israel, in Britain the vast majority of lefties support the Palestinians who according to them can do no wrong, it just shows how the left are just so divided in its views

[HissingNewt]

@Guy: Yeah. The whole "white guilt" thing that some people go with over here annoys me to no end.

[Kaukas]

I think Antifa is lulz organization.