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    Default Popular Mechanics Magazine: science fiction has become dominated by escapist fantasies and depressing dystopias

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    The future isn't what it used to be. And neither is science fiction. While books about space exploration and robots once inspired young people to become scientists and engineers—and inspired grownup engineers and scientists to do big things—in recent decades the field has become dominated by escapist fantasies and depressing dystopias. That could be contributing to something that I see as a problem. It seems that too many technically savvy people, engineers in particular, are going to work for Web startups or investment firms. There's nothing wrong with such companies, but we also need engineers to design bold new things for use in the physical world: space colonies instead of social media.

    If I'm right, that's bad for all of us. But are we really losing the will to do big things or are the big things just different than they used to be? I asked around and, on this subject, found science-fiction writers to be pessimistic.

    One of today's best SF authors is Neal Stephenson, whose books include Cryptonomicon and The Diamond Age. In a recent article in the World Policy Journal, he writes that during science fiction's so-called golden age—roughly the late 1930s to the late 1960s—the stories being published were about big things and big breakthroughs: moon rockets, Mars bases, robots, and teleportation. Perhaps by coincidence, those were times when the United States was actually doing big things and making big breakthroughs. Now, writes Stephenson, "[s]peaking *broadly, the techno-optimism of the Golden Age of SF has given way to fiction written in a darker, more skeptical, and ambiguous tone."

    Those stories can be good—some credit Stephenson's own 1992 book, Snow Crash, with anticipating the social media revolution—but are they good for us? Or have we been focusing our imagination and efforts on things that are amusing but unimportant? Stephenson recently told The New York Times, "We can't Facebook our way out of the current economic status quo." He is calling for new ways to expand civilization, not new forums for gossip.

    I called Stephenson and asked him to elaborate. "There was some moment in the late '60s and '70s when people thought we had enough tech," he says. "Technology was too dangerous, and people became reflexively skeptical of new ideas. If you stay that way for a couple of decades, it can come back to bite you. There's also a less obvious danger, which is that if science and technology stop wowing us, people start to develop skepticism about the scientific method."


    Read more: We Need to Dream Big Again - Popular Mechanics

    What do people think? It certainly seem accurate that old big dreams of old have disappeared into dystopia and cynicism about the world.
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    I fully agree 110%, sadly as America has declined over the decades so has its ambitions. Companies and even governments are only concered with making money not to push the horizons of man.

    Anyone who dreams of colonizing worlds or living forever is dismissed as a mad man or megalomanic.


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    I love dystopian tales though lol

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    Will find you a statistic on the rate of changes so this thread doesn't get moved to Arts. Be back soon...
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    I've been watching the decay of western civilization first hand in my own life and among everyone around me for the last three decades, I might be inclined to agree just on that premise alone, but I took nothing tangible from the article so, yeah umm ok, maybe some specifics?

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    Default Re: Popular Mechanics Magazine: science fiction has become dominated by escapist fantasies and depressing dystopias

    I think the main reason for this is not lack of ambition or decline, but the progression of science. People are no longer interested by stories about far fetched ideas in sci-fi stories, when they can find them in factual science and tech magazines. The trend is to write not about the possibilities of new technology itself, but the implications of iy technology. It's a development rather than a regression.
    A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.

    A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."

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    Love how the thread was instantly hijacked into a decline of the west. Because apparently we are writing about darker things so this means that the West in in decline

    OT: Meh. Much of the issue now is that science just isn't making the big, sexy breakthroughs that were happening back in the 30's 40's 50's and slightly into the 60's. That was the age of enormous R and D budgets and the legendary Bell Labs which invented huge amounts of the things that now dominate everyday life. Think about what has happened similar to the invention of the transistor in the last 20 years. The number of computers has increased a great deal, but there just aren't the kinds of huge technological and scientific leaps being made nowadays. Those are the kinds of things whose novelty birthed classic authors like Arthur C. Clarke, Asimov and others and they just aren't happening at the same scale that they were in the past. That is not to say that science is "done" as that is simply not true, its just that the kinds of leaps being made don't exactly compare to the Saturn rockets.
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    oh god nevins had to enter the thread

    If it makes you sleep easier at night western civilization is still doing great buddy


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevins View Post
    Love how the thread was instantly hijacked into a decline of the west. Because apparently we are writing about darker things so this means that the West in in decline
    Who suggested they were dark? The thread wasn't hijacked. Apparently heads are in the clouds and we would be better served by the focus on practical applications of science verses day dreaming; all while the rest of the world fuses over Kim Kardashian, bling bling and football.

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    In the 50's people were thinking home nuclear generators were just on the horizon.

    People were dumb.

    Though really, most of the sci-fi I read from that period was hardly sunshine and roses. Maybe it was just the bad science fiction that was?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    In the 50's people were thinking home nuclear generators were just on the horizon.

    wow... no problems there.

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    Default Re: Popular Mechanics Magazine: science fiction has become dominated by escapist fantasies and depressing dystopias

    All you really need to do is talk to someone born before the 50's to learn that despite it's ultra-modern drawbacks, this is a much simpler and more enlightened period of time. We like to look back and see easier times, but most people who lived back then do not remember it that way. A strong memory for my mother is hiding under her desk during bomb drills.

    If anything, there is a decline in humanity (the humane aspect) with respect to profit. The US was built upon the ideas of production and consumption. Again, most older corporate types (likely now retired) would tell you that there was a clear shift to where profit took precedence over all. Where it was okay to add filler meant for animals, into the human food supply. No, it has no negative effects. And overall it isnt a problem. But it was the act of deceiving the public, that best highlights the difference in mentality.

    That said, this not unique to the US, or the West. Within the context of a decline in the West you inevitably think of the counter, as the rise of the East. Yet the Chinese have no problem poisoning babies or adults by cutting corners with baby formula or adult toothpaste. And in the next year you will read more about the exodus of ultra-rich Chinese elite to the US because this is still a better place to live - the same as Eastern Europeans did before them. Or how the most successful Brazilian startup businesses have already moved to the US, and are continuing to do so.

    There isn't a decline here; simply an evening out. But we are still on top in many ways. And those ways are not easily, if ever, achieved. After the excitement of being able to buy anything you want in Moscow or Beijing wears out, those people set their sites on the US or Western Europe/UK. Or Australia for that matter.


    As for the actual topic of the thread - I was never a huge sci-fi person. Without putting too much thought into it, cant we kind of expect this? Out expectations of flying cars, etc, have been tempered for obvious reasons. And we also moved beyond a lot of the low hanging fruit, on to the larger, more fundamental questions. That often has us examining our humanity more, and how our modern lives effect that.
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    Default Re: Popular Mechanics Magazine: science fiction has become dominated by escapist fantasies and depressing dystopias

    Sig, are you implying that humanity has lost it's faith in Modernity? Because apart from some very postmodernist writers the rest of us still believe in science, knowledge and education being key to the betterment of society and humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius Gothicus View Post
    Sig, are you implying that humanity has lost it's faith in Modernity? Because apart from some very postmodernist writers the rest of us still believe in science, knowledge and education being key to the betterment of society and humanity.
    No, what they believe is to have a slightly less-miserable life with new consumer tech toys like ipad and smartphones. Nobody cares about space travels, teleportation, or nanobots anymore.

    I lost my faith on them.



    All those new sci-fi TV series (ex: Battlestar Galatica) cause me to feel even more depressed than ever

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    I would agree with BJones being of roughly the same generation. To put things into perspective let's look to the current generation. How - statistically - how are they doing overall?

    I recall in my younger years politicians (President Clinton comes to mind) repeating often how the then generation (presumably mine) would be the first in our nation's history (the US) to do worse then their parents. Is that bad? Consider the notion that America "made up of the best and the brightest" built upon the hard work of those who came over with nothing in hopes of making a better life for themselves; in the process formed a great country. We all know the story...

    As for myself trained by the public school system and without parents who instilled a sense of direction beyond providing the basics (thankfully enough), I can identify what I would consider a "decay" of the system. Specifically in how teachers choose to handle lessons and grade to the point of getting passed on to graduate to make the school "look good" because we all know funding is more important than ensuring a proper education has been delivered.

    If any of you were the kids in the "advanced classes" you probably won't identify or relate. This is what I take from the OP, that after such advancements in knowledge and technology, for some reason we still see crumbling infrastructure every where we go. Who cares about Quantum theory when we haven't even made touch-less restrooms a priority with all of our great health concerns.

    You can really add anything you want here, point is liberal methods of teaching such as there is "no wrong answer to a problem" just doesn't cut it when you are trying to teach kids how to function in the most basic levels of society. What is more important knowing how to balance a budget or dreaming about how many different ways you can solve an equation?

    Am I suggesting that creative thinking is stifling? Absolutely not, I am simply saying that if we don't even have the fundamentals how can we produce the kinds of problem solvers that will carry us forward?

    So your take on the current "Generation text" or "I" or "Z" or what ever they're calling the 90s babies these days. Are we confident they can carry us into a bright new future of understanding or will the media driven, fast-food culture of sports fanatics continue to grow disproportionately?

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    I've always been more interested in the kind of sci-fi with a moral to the story, doesn't even have to be techy, it could just be about life on another world.

    escapist fantasies and depressing dystopias
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    This is why Star Trek should come back to the TV. It's about morality and the human spirit. Technology is just a tool.

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    I'm not the greatest second or third gen fan, but I've noted some episodes that had just that, the moral verses just the drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigniferOne View Post
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    What do people think? It certainly seem accurate that old big dreams of old have disappeared into dystopia and cynicism about the world.

    science has certainly been under attack, everything from gaia-loons to creationists attacking all advances (and even the science underlying them). But the other side of the coin is, for maybe the first time, humanity is capable of fundamentally rewriting life forms, of making new species tailored to artificial tasks, from scratch over a few years. Scepticism is healthy when it asks why are we doing this, should we, and what exactly are the risks? When scepticism becomes counter productive is when it leads to contempt. Also the 'massive dreams'? They where dick waving on a massive scale, the space race wasn't rocket men and science (not at it's core) it was ICBMs and flag waving.

    Cynicism is healthy, again in moderation, blind trust got us Thalidomide and the Union Carbide disaster, the Vietnam war and the military industrial complex. Actually asking what the people in power are doing and why, who actually has the power, why the world is setup the way it is....all valid questions that need answers, because if we stay still, accepting the current world order blindly..then where is the hope? That the rich keep getting richer and the poor poorer forever? Theirs your dystopia, the best show you the path we are on and challenge you to do something about it.

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    This is why Star Trek should come back to the TV. It's about morality and the human spirit. Technology is just a tool.

    Firefly and BSG spring directly to mind in similar vein, darker yes, more honest about what people under stress are like, but more hopeful for it, the people aren't superhuman, they are very human, and they muddle through ok, they achieve there goals, and find happiness eventually, what's more hopeful than that?
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    Sig, I think you're forgetting how ed up the world is. These grim stories are talking about the present by painting a dark portrait of the future. If you don't identify the things which terrify you, how can you fight to overcome those things?

    If I didn't know about eugenic genocide that really exists, I wouldn't think of the sorts of stories where clones are being produced for slaves or resources and painting a bleak picture of the future, the future where most good men do nothing and the few who speak out are silenced. When someone writes a dystopia, 9/10 times they're talking about modern problems. We're finally dealing with real issues. We can't have a better tomorrow if we don't deal with real problems in moral ways.
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