Expanding of the Wiki articles

[Jagmodo]

As I have announced I have started to write text that I would, if it will be decent enough, add to the “evil link“(http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Mouth_of_Sauron),
and other to the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouth_of_Sauron), as I promised.
I could also expand the Rome Total War Wikipedia page, Modifications section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome:_T...#Modifications).
Small advertising campaign for the upcoming release, and other Middle – earth based mods.

Text to be added to the lotr-wiki:

Role in Total war mods

Lord of the rings: Total War

? (I guess he’s role is as the diplomat, or maybe he is the general? Help appreciated...)

Third Age: Total War

? (The same thing as above... Sorry, I have not played those mods.)

Fourth Age: Total War

In this modification of the Rome Total War: Barbarian invasion game, the Mouth of Sauron has quite a big role. In the story made by the Fourth Age: Total War developers, he is the main actuator of the waning power of the Reunited Kingdom. The story is based on the incomplete sequel to The Lord of the Rings named The New Shadow, and expanded further. By the mod’s lore after the Sauron’s fall he fled the forces of the West. He eventually made he’s way to the city of Umbar, where he boarded a ship headed even further South. There he plotted his return and revenge, and in the year 121 of the Fourth age he again returned to Umbar in the guise of Herumor, The Lord Black. He is certainly fault for the fall of the Umbar to the Haradrians and a massive invasion of the Harondor and Gondor‘s coasts by the Corsairs. He has also formed and is a head of the notorious Shadow Cult. He rose to power and allured the King's brother Amandil, causing a division of the House of Telcontar, and a civil war began. Amandil and his allies, indoctrinated by Herumor having gained a foothold in Mordor and the eastern provinces, declared the Kingdom of Adûnabâr (Adûnaic for Power of the West). The kingdom of Adûnabâr seeks glory of the old days that was, they believe, lost by the Reunited Kingdom, and they will use any means available to achieve their goals. Even the orcs,wargs and trolls! In fact they are achieving goals of Herumor, as he is the real power behind the throne.
In the game Mouth of Sauron, now named Herumor is represented as a retinue of the faction leader. It is imposible to lose him, as he will appear to the next faction leader, as the old one dies, and so on. He gives to the “owner” +4 Influence and 50% Cultic conversion.

*Note: Thangaror, here I have used some of your words, so I am asking for your allowance.
P.S. Your words maybe will be added to the “evil link”, so you are almost the participant.

Text to be added to the Wikipedia:

He also appears in the Total War modifications placed in the Middle- earth. In Lord of the rings: Total War and Third Age: Total War he ? In Fourth Age: Total War he is the depicted as the main villain responsible for the forming of the Shadow Cult, division of the House of Telcontar, a civil war and forming of the Kingdom of Adûnabâr, as he is the real power behind the throne.

*Note: This I would add at the end of the Wikipedia article.

Obviously, I would need your information about Mouth of Sauron in LOTR:TW and FA:TW, as I didn’t play these mods, and I don’t know how is he implemented there. If anyone has something to add, suggest, or correct, please feel free to do so. Even negative critics are welcome, so I could improve the article. Of course, please warn me if I made some grammar (or other) mistakes. At the moment when I was writing this was late at night (in my time zone), so everything is possible.

[Thangaror]

I pretty much appreciate your effort to make FATW more public.

I don't think it's a good idea to add something about FATW in the Rome article on Wikipedia. Although I think it's worth mentioning that the engine has been used for several mods based on fantasy worlds, and then mentioning the according universe (Middle-earth and, errr, whatever. Think the Warhammer mods are for M2TW only).

I did some major reworking. The text as it is lacks some background. I'm not sure of some names and dates, so feel free to complete.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

As I have announced I have started to write text that I would, if it will be decent enough, to the “evil link“(http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Mouth_of_Sauron),
and other to the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouth_of_Sauron), as I promised.
I could also expand the Rome Total War Wikipedia page, Modifications section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome:_T...#Modifications).
Small advertising campaign for the upcoming release, and other Middle – earth based mods.
Role in Total war mods

Fourth Age: Total War

In this modification of the Rome Total War: Barbarian invasion game, the Mouth of Sauron has quite a big role. In the story made by the Fourth Age: Total War developers, he is the main actuator of the waning power of the Reunited Kingdom. The story is based on the incomplete sequel to The Lord of the Rings named The New Shadow, and expanded further. By the mod’s lore after the Sauron’s fall he fled the forces of the West. He eventually made he’s way to the city of Umbar, where he boarded a ship headed even further South. There he plotted his return and revenge, and in the year 121 of the Fourth age he again returned to Umbar in the guise of Herumor, The Lord Black. He is certainly fault for the fall of the Umbar to the Haradrians and a massive invasion of the Harondor and Gondor‘s coasts by the Corsairs. He has also formed and is a head of the notorious Shadow Cult. He rose to power and allured the King's brother Amandil, causing a division of the House of Telcontar, and a civil war began. Amandil and his allies, indoctrinated by Herumor having gained a foothold in Mordor and the eastern provinces, declared the Kingdom of Adûnabâr (Adûnaic for Power of the West). The kingdom of Adûnabâr seeks glory of the old days that was, they believe, lost by the Reunited Kingdom, and they will use any means available to achieve their goals. Even the orcs,wargs and trolls! In fact they are achieving goals of Herumor, as he is the real power behind the throne.
In the game Mouth of Sauron, now named Herumor is represented as a retinue of the faction leader. It is imposible to lose him, as he will appear to the next faction leader, as the old one dies, and so on. He gives to the “owner” +4 Influence and 50% Cultic conversion.

*Note: Thangaror, here I have used some of your words, so I am asking for your allowance.
P.S. Your words maybe will be added to the “evil link”, so you are almost the participant.

Huh? Where?

"LotR-wiki article edited

In this modification of the Rome Total War: Barbarian Invasion game, the Mouth of Sauron has quite a big role. “The Fourth Age: Total War” is based on an uncompleted sequel to “The Lord of the Rings” that Tolkien began to write in the 1960s, which has been published in “The History of Middle-earth Vol XII: The Peoples of Middle-earth” with the title “The New Shadow”. In this story a dark cult, gaining foothold in the realm of Gondor, is mentioned which is lead by an ominous character called Herúmor.
This short draft, which Tolkien abandoned quite soon, because it would have turned in a political thriller, an idea he didn't appreciate, is expanded further by the modders. According to the lore created by the FA:TW team, the Mouth survived Sauron’s fall, fleeing the forces of the West. He eventually made his way to the city of Umbar. There he boarded a ship that headed even further South, where he plotted his revenge. In the year 121 of the Fourth Age he again returned to Umbar in the guise of Herumor, The Lord Black.
He certainly was one of the main factors that caused the rebellion of the Haradrim against their Gondorian overlords. The fall of Umbar to the Haradrim was followed by a massive invasion of Gondor‘s coasts by the Corsairs. Furhtermore the Easterlings once again began to move westwards, there’s little doubt that Herúmor was involved in this process, too. Herúmor has also formed the notorious Shadow Cult, ofwhich he is the head. Already around the third century of the Fourth Age during the reign of Eldarion, son of King Elessar (Aragorn, whatever. Make the name consistent with the Wiki), Herúmor gained great influence in Gondor itself and allured Amandil, younger brother of the King of the Reunited Kingdom, Aldarion?, who made him his chief councillor. Listening to Herúmor’s whisperings Amandil rebelled against his brother in Fourth Age ???. This led to a division of the House of Telcontar, and the whole Kingdom: a civil war began. The Shadow Cult already had indoctrinated a great portion of the population that had settled in Mordor and Nurn (including the rebuilt Minas Ithil) and thus Amandil and his allies gained a foothold there, declaring the Kingdom of Adûnabâr (Adûnaic: “Power of the West”). The Kingdom of Adûnabâr seeks to restore the glory of the old days that was, they believe, lost by the Reunited Kingdom, and they will use any means available to achieve their goals. But in fact they are working for the goals of Herumor, as he is the real power behind the throne.
In the game Mouth of Sauron, now named Herumor is represented as a retinue of the faction leader. It is impossible to lose him, as he will appear to the next faction leader, as the old one dies, and so on. He gives to the “owner” +4 Influence and 50% Cultic conversion.

Some remarks:
It's of course most important to mention upon which the whole thing is based in the very first sentence and second where this has been published.
I've deleted the orcs and trolls. This is too spoiler-y in my oppinion. I'm not really sure if to mention game-mechanics. That's sorta uninteresting. OTOH, the whole article is, IMHO, crap, basically dealing only with even crappier games (BFME. Goblin spider riders. Do I have to say more? Uh, TATW has giant spiders too...) .

[Jagmodo]

Thank you for your help and time you spent to correct this text. I really appreciate it.

Where had I used your words? I think this may refresh your memory:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...5#post10175325

There are some similarities in the text regarding the “downfall from grace” of the Amandil.

About the article, it IS bad, but when some noob (like me) search for the Mouth of Sauron (by the Google), it is the second result. So it could bring more attention to the mod. People that will visit this site are more or less gamers that want more information about the character. Real Tolkien fans/researchers will be more probably acquainted with better sites. It is good for that- advertising. Or in the other words noob gamers recruitment.

About the style of my text I imitated style of the article. That’s why I had mentioned game mechanics. I think that it may interest someone. Spoilers? Read (or don’t- better for your nerves) the The Battle for Middle-earth II section. They had detailed described EACH mission where he appears. But I will not include “orcish” spoiler. However, player has the choice with Adûnabâr to go “man/ways of the west” side i.e. stop the Cultic expansion.



Anyone with the information about the Mouth of the Saouron implementation in the other two Middle- earth based mods? Please...

[Thangaror]

Thank you for your help and time you spent to correct this text. I really appreciate it.

Where had I used your words? I think this may refresh your memory:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...5#post10175325

Oh! Feels like I posted this a decade ago...

[Jagmodo]

First of all sorry for the double posting, but I think that it is somewhat justified because no one will see this if I only edit my last post. As I found time and partly lost doubt in this, I continue where I stopped:

Regarding the FA:TW section I will keep the changes made by the Thangaror. Only thing I lack is the year of rebellion of Amandil, so I ask developers did they in the FA:TW lore created it, or it is unknown.
I have written FA:TW section, so feel free to correct it if something is wrong, or expand it if you know something more:

Text to be added to the lotr-wiki:

Role in Total war mods
Lord of the rings: Total War

In this modification of the Rome Total War: Alexander game, the Mouth of Sauron has some appearance. “Lord of the rings: Total War” is based on a Peter Jackson’s movies, especially in visual sense. Developers were consulting the J.R.R. Tolkien’s books for filling the gaps, but creating the sense of continuity with the movies. When playing as Mordor faction, the Mouth of Sauron is available as a diplomat unit with a unique model, and portrait. In the next release when player will play other factions than Mordor, Mouth of Sauron will be available as a general unit to Mordor. It was considered by the developers, but not yet conformed, that he will be made with zero movement points and put at Black Gate so the player will only fight him at the siege of it (,so he could be properly beheaded – sorry I had to. Of course I will not include this in the brackets).

I don't think it's a good idea to add something about FATW in the Rome article on Wikipedia. Although I think it's worth mentioning that the engine has been used for several mods based on fantasy worlds, and then mentioning the according universe (Middle-earth and, errr, whatever. Think the Warhammer mods are for M2TW only).

Then, I could add to the Wikipedia something like this:

Text to be added to the Wikipedia, Modifications section:

There are major modifications covering almost every era of human history from 9.century B.C. to early 19. century and even put in the fantasy settings like Middle-earth and Warhammer universe.

If anyone will be interested in some of these timeframes, or settings, he could look itself.

[Aradan]

In LotRTW the Mouth is an emissary (with unique model and portrait).
In TATW, I think, he's not present.

[Jagmodo]

In TATW, I think, he's not present.

Hmm, I’ll have to check this. Is there anyone who could confirm this, but that he is sure? Otherwise, I could PM someone associated with the TATW.

Edit:Napoleon Aradan is always right. Unless I count the advisor picture, or some other pictures of him. Not worth mentioning...