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    Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- The political arm of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood has announced plans to run one of its leaders in the country's presidential elections in May, reversing an earlier pledge to stay out of the race.
    The once-banned Islamist movement will be represented by Khairat al-Shater, a longtime financial backer, the Brotherhood announced over the weekend. Al-Shater has resigned from his post as deputy chairman to join the already crowded field of presidential candidates, group said.
    The jail terms he served under ex-Egyptian strongman Hosni Mubarak had been an obstacle that would have kept him off the ballot. But the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, which took power after the 2011 uprising that toppled Mubarak, pardoned him Sunday, his lawyer, Abdel Moneim Abdel Maqsood, told CNN.
    The Muslim Brotherhood has pledged repeatedly that it would not field a presidential candidate. But candidates from its political arm, the Freedom and Justice party, won the largest share of seats in Egypt's parliamentary elections in December. And Brotherhood leader Mohamed Badie said Saturday the new Egypt "is under a serious threat" because its current, military-led government "has failed to represent the will of the people."
    More than 450 people have already registered or announced plans to seek the presidency. Among them are former Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa -- who served as Mubarak's foreign minister -- and Ayman Nour, an opposition leader jailed by Mubarak and recently pardoned as well.
    The field also includes other Islamist presidential hopefuls, including the ultra-conservative Salafist candidate Hazem Abu Ismael and former Muslim Brotherhood member Abdel Moneim Abou El Fettouh, who broke with the Muslim Brotherhood over what he called its authoritarian style.
    Al-Shater is a furniture and textile magnate who has led the Brotherhood's business association. Though considered a conservative, he is also credited with being the driving force behind the Brotherhood's affirmation that Egypt should continue to honor its international agreements -- including its peace treaty with Israel.
    Liberals and secularists who led the uprising against Mubarak fear that a victory in the presidential elections, the first round of which begins May 23, may lead the Brotherhood to impose a fundamentalist Islamic agenda on Egypt.
    "Their stance continues to change as they strengthen their political position," socialist activist Sherif Maher said. "They were patient after Mubarak fell and announced that they would not seek more than 20% of the seats in parliament. The number went up to 30, and now they have won more than half of the constituent assembly."
    But Rami Shaath, a founding member of the Egyptian Revolutionary Alliance, said al-Shater's entry into the race may be a bid to make an example of Aboul Fettouh, "who had defected against their will."
    "Aboul Fettouh is championed by the revolutionaries and not favored by the military," Shaath said. "They also want to make a point to the youth of the Brotherhood that abandoning the group may cripple one's ambition."
    In March, the Muslim Brotherhood blasted the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces for holding onto power despite the parliamentary elections and questioning whether the generals would try to rig the presidential vote. In a rare and charged public response, the generals hit back against what they called a "baseless slander" and an "unacceptable" challenge to the legitimacy of elections.
    Al-Shater is a 61-year-old civil engineer who became a millionaire businessman. He has been involved with Islamist groups since the late 1960s, according to his official biography, and was jailed for five years by a military court during a crackdown on Islamist movements in the mid-1990s.
    In 2007, he was charged with providing funds and weapons to college students and imprisoned again. He was still behind bars when the regime fell in February 2011, and the military junta that took power from Mubarak released him for medical reasons a month later. Before Sunday's pardon, that record could have disqualified him from the race.
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    I hope this leads to something good; the military council has already voiced its disapproval and so has the secular left. That leaves the Salafists and their sponsors in Saudi Arabia, and I'm betting that they too will try to undermine the Brotherhood's efforts because they don't see eye to eye. If there's anybody qualified for presidency it's this guy; he's an absolute genius and I wish him luck because actually becoming a president under the watchful eye of the SCAF will be a challenge.
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    I remember a BBC article suggests this dude is a Islamist.
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    He's been a member of the Muslim Brotherhood for decades... of course he's an Islamist.

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    Oh great, more Islamists vying for power in the Middle-East, it will be interesting to see in the coming years how this Arabic spring will erase all secularism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molonthegreat View Post
    Oh great, more Islamists vying for power in the Middle-East, it will be interesting to see in the coming years how this Arabic spring will erase all secularism.
    This is a good demonstration as to why relying on political buzz-words rather than observing realities doesn't serve the Middle East very well.
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    I doubt the MB is very popular but they are very well-organized, especially compared to the other parties so it will be interesting to see how this turns out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molonthegreat View Post
    Oh great, more Islamists vying for power in the Middle-East, it will be interesting to see in the coming years how this Arabic spring will erase all secularism.
    Yeah, how dare they voice their wishes and further their interests through the democratic process. If only we could go back to the golden days of secularism and political repression in the middle east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post
    Yeah, how dare they voice their wishes and further their interests through the democratic process. If only we could go back to the golden days of secularism and political repression in the middle east.
    Certain countries aren't mature enough to handle democracy.It certainly looks like Egypt is one of those countries that needs a strongman to function properly just as Libya and most other countries in the middle-east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molonthegreat View Post
    Certain countries aren't mature enough to handle democracy.It certainly looks like Egypt is one of those countries that needs a strongman to function properly just as Libya and most other countries in the middle-east.
    People vote someone you don't like -----> country not mature yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    People vote someone you don't like -----> country not mature yet.
    Countries which favor Islamists are usually not mature people because that means they do not have a secular government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    People vote someone you don't like -----> country not mature yet.
    Then no country in the world would be mature, when a country votes in islamists that wants sharia it's pretty obvious that they aren't mature enough for democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molonthegreat View Post
    Then no country in the world would be mature, when a country votes in islamists that wants sharia it's pretty obvious that they aren't mature enough for democracy.
    It means that they are all a bunch of retards if you ask me.

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    OMG, this is so sad! I thought the Facebook kids won!? The revolution felt so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukonTrooper View Post
    OMG, this is so sad! I thought the Facebook kids won!? The revolution felt so good.
    They did win. You get a bunch of nerds together to overthrow the government and if they do it successfully you expect them to take the reins? It led to a power gap which attracts all the extremists to take power, and then those people that overthrew the government are right back where they were before: settling for a dictatorship, just leaning the other way politically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedudederek View Post
    They did win. You get a bunch of nerds together to overthrow the government and if they do it successfully you expect them to take the reins? It led to a power gap which attracts all the extremists to take power, and then those people that overthrew the government are right back where they were before: settling for a dictatorship, just leaning the other way politically.
    But the demonstrations! They were so big! There were like 100,000 in the square! That's like 1.5% of Cairo's population! How did they not take the reins!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    doesnt matter if the brotherhood runs; what matters is if they'll be content to let things remain mubarak style, down to keeping the gaza border closed
    They won't be content. Parliament has already voted overwhelmingly on certain issues which haven't been ratified simply because SCAF still runs the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukonTrooper View Post
    They won't be content. Parliament has already voted overwhelmingly on certain issues which haven't been ratified simply because SCAF still runs the country.
    how much longer til islamist elements in the military start siding with the brotherhood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    how much longer til islamist elements in the military start siding with the brotherhood?
    Who knows, depends on how Muslim Brotherhood reshaped the military like Nazi Party did to Wehrmacht; but whatever is in charge Egypt as long as they create chaos in Middle East, I am happy.
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    doesnt matter if the brotherhood runs; what matters is if they'll be content to let things remain mubarak style, down to keeping the gaza border closed

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    lol Western kid on the internets: OMG Arabz barbarians, why you no have democracy like us??

    *Arabs vote in an Islamic government*

    OMG me no like Islamic government, why you no vote for right person, Mozlemz???

    (Incidentally, the Brotherhood had like what, a hundred years to politically organize itself as opposed to the liberal left, which only had a few months...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmud Ghaznavi View Post
    lol Western kid on the internets: OMG Arabz barbarians, why you no have democracy like us??

    *Arabs vote in an Islamic government*

    OMG me no like Islamic government, why you no vote for right person, Mozlemz???

    (Incidentally, the Brotherhood had like what, a hundred years to politically organize itself as opposed to the liberal left, which only had a few months...)
    The Wafd party has been around for almost a century too.
    Quote Originally Posted by molonthegreat View Post
    Then no country in the world would be mature, when a country votes in islamists that wants sharia it's pretty obvious that they aren't mature enough for democracy.
    Obvious to your narrow-minded viewpoint of the world maybe, Egypt has been mature enough for democracy for quite some time.
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