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    Source: Tanjug BELGRADE -- Serbian Interior Ministry (MUP) Gendarmerie officers arrested two Kosovo police officers in the Merdare region around 10:30 CET on Saturday.


    Ivica Dačić (Tanjug, file)
    According to Serbian Interior Minster Ivica Dačić, the arrested Kosovo police officers had two automatic rifles, two handguns and special equipment for distance measurement.
    “The names of the arrestees are Shukre Binaku and Sami Beqiri,” he told reporters in the Palace of Serbia after meeting with the families of Serb police officers from the Kosovo-Morava region who were released by a decision of the Kosovo Supreme Court from detention facilities in Gnjilane and Pri[tina where they were kept since their arrest on February 25 on suspicion that they undermined the Kosovo constitutional order.

    Dačić pointed out that the incursion of the two KPS members constituted a drastic violation of the Military Technical Agreement signed in Kumanovo in 1999.

    “What are they doing in the territory of central Serbia and what agreement does that fall under,” the minister said and added that Serbia would not tolerate such actions.

    He called on UNMIK, KFOR and EULEX to state their opinion on the event and pointed out that anyone who dared to violate the Kumanovo Military Technical Agreement this way would be arrested.

    “This has overstepped all limits,” Dačić underscored.





    This comes as just another in a series of incidents in the last few weeks in the view of upcoming elections in Serbia,but It's the most serious one since it involved armed men on both sides.The Kosovo Albanians said that they will oppose the Serbian local elections with force if needed. I support this action of the Serb gendarmery,but It's nothing more than election campaign since these violations occur most of the time but the Serbian government rarely tried to do anything until now

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    That's a dangerous development. Any idea what were they doing in Serbian territory? I guess they could/should be labeled spies..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    That's a dangerous development. Any idea what were they doing in Serbian territory? I guess they could/should be labeled spies..?
    Well there are Serbian army and police position all along the administrative line...But one thing is certain:Kosovo Albanian politicians wouldn't have ordered this without having free hands from their partners,and we all know who they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    That's a dangerous development. Any idea what were they doing in Serbian territory? I guess they could/should be labeled spies..?
    They were wearing uniforms...

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    They were wearing uniforms...
    Well you don't have to look like James Bond in order to spy on someone.

    Espionage or spying involves a government or individual obtaining information that is considered secret or confidential without the permission of the holder of the information.
    They clearly weren't there in order to see the natural beauties of Central Serbia,so their activity can be seen as a sort of espionage.

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    [QUOTE=il padrino;11249750]Well you don't have to look like James Bond in order to spy on someone.

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    What a deadly incursion by Kosovo, this definitely amounts to war. Who knows what kind of dangerous actions 2 policeman were going to cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saglam2000 View Post
    What a deadly incursion by Kosovo, this definitely amounts to war. Who knows what kind of dangerous actions 2 policeman were going to cause.
    You mean it's okay for foreign authorities to breach another state's sovereignty?
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    Serbia and Kosovo are not in a state of war. Therefore two armed guys who are wearing another's state uniform could do nothing else but spy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    Serbia and Kosovo are not in a state of war. Therefore two armed guys who are wearing another's state uniform could do nothing else but spy...
    Well to be honest this means little,firstly because they cannot even be in a state of war,since Kosovo is not a state,therefore not an international subject.Secondly the relations between Serbs and Albanians are very close to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by il padrino View Post
    Well to be honest this means little,firstly because they cannot even be in a state of war,since Kosovo is not a state,therefore not an international subject.
    89 countries disagrees with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holger Danske View Post
    89 countries disagrees with you.
    And 104 countries agree with me But let's not start this argument,shall we.

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    Quote Originally Posted by il padrino View Post
    And 104 countries agree with me But let's not start this argument,shall we.
    Actually, that doesn't follow. Just because all 104 countries haven't formally recognized Kosovo sovereignty, doesn't mean they automatically "agree" with you. A share of those countries could just not care about the issue one way or another. Another could "agree" with you, but with reservations. Others could "disagree" with you, but with reservations. Others could be ready to recognize Kosovo but only if certain conditions are met. In all, you're just making an assumption, so be careful.

    And another thing -- armed, uniformed security personnel traipsing around territory that's not theirs is not spying, sorry, not in any definition of the word. The closest thing describing what they are doing is "reconnaissance", but that begs the question -- reconnaissance for what?

    Either way I'm really confused as to how this really minor incident successfully resolved by Serbian security services is very political and necessitates a thread when there's much bigger issues going on. It's kind of like those "Muslim guy somewhere does something bad, ahhh!!!!" or "Israeli person sneezes on a child, Ahhhhh!!!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by il padrino View Post
    And 104 countries agree with me But let's not start this argument,shall we.
    Agreed, because it's certainly one you won't win. And as mention why should we care about this incident? Smells like another "Look, Serbia is important, and Serbia is the victim... again" thread.
    Last edited by Holger Danske; March 31, 2012 at 09:35 AM.

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    Okay, two random policemen in uniforms are suited for neither military action nor spying. So either...

    a) Kosovo had no idea what they were doing
    b) it's a Serbian publicity stunt
    c) Kosovo did it for the lulz
    d) unknown non-spying, non-military motive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astaroth View Post
    Okay, two random policemen in uniforms are suited for neither military action nor spying. So either...

    a) Kosovo had no idea what they were doing
    b) it's a Serbian publicity stunt
    c) Kosovo did it for the lulz
    d) unknown non-spying, non-military motive
    Well the equipment found with them is not usual for random policemen,for Kosovo standards.And again,the fact that they wore uniforms,doesn't mean they didn't try to gather some military intelligence for example.


    This incident reminded me of the more famous one involving US soldiers in 1999.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Astaroth View Post
    Okay, two random policemen in uniforms are suited for neither military action nor spying. So either...


    b) it's a Serbian publicity stunt

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    That's some superior covert infiltration gear they've got on right there. Those two are pretty much ninjas, it looks like. How were they ever caught?
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    I don't know in Kosovo polices are armed with AK as normal...
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    Maybe those "policemen" were just doing some sort of criminal activity, i.e. selling drugs/weapons? I mean it wouldn't be surprising, given how Kosovo is basically a mafia-run pseudo-state.
    Last edited by Heathen Hammer; March 31, 2012 at 09:19 AM.

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