comparing islam and christanity

[total relism]

Please watch these debates
Osama Abdallah vs. David Wood: "Was Muhammad a True Prophet?"

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2008...-wood-was.html

Sheikh Jalal Abualrub vs. David Wood: "Is Muhammad a Prophet
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2008...d-wood-is.html

Who Was Muhammad? Qureshi vs. Wood

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009...i-vs-wood.html



Islam blue bible black

Allah is not all loving, he does not love all,he loves those who do good works, he does not love those that do bad works, god is the enemy of unbelievers 2.97-100 god does not love the unbelievers 3.30-35 god does not love the evil doers 3.56-57god bears no love for the sinful 2.275-277 god does not love wrongdoers 42.38-44 god does not love the proud 16.22-26 allah does not love the unbelievers 30.44-46god does not love transgressors 7.54-57so his love is conditional based on the works of a individual.

the god of the bible loves all and loves unconditional, but god demonstrated his love for us that while we were sinners Christ died for us Romans 5.8

allah said god will love you, if you love him first 3.30-35 andbelievers need to help god for him to help them 47.5-11

Jesus said of those who love only those who love them -if you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? Matt 5.46 also when being nailed to the cross after being beaten, scourged, spat at etc he said of those persecuting him he prayed to god "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do". Luke 23.34

allah does not will all to be saved 32.12-32god wishes to scourge unbelievers for his sins 5.48-50 god could have led all man to him, but he leads them astray because of there bad deeds 13.31 allah punishes unbelievers,so there souls shall depart in unbelief 9.55… Allah misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills ... (Q.14:4; 16:93). god wishes to scourge sinners 5.49
Allah does not care if people go to haven or hell "these to eternal fire, and I care not"and these to paradise I care not"kisasul-anbiya 21.9150 abu-dawood 2203 al timidhi 38 mishkat al misablih 3.112-13

"The Lord is not willing that any should perish but that all should reach repentance" (2Pet. 3.9).
"He desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth" (1Tim. 2.4).
"'Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked?,' says the Lord God, 'And not rather that he should turn from his way and live? For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone,' says the Lord God. 'So turn and live! Say to them, "As I live," says the Lord God, "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways. For why will you die?"'" (Ez. 18.23,32; 33.11).
　
　
unbelievers are allowed to live longer only so they sin more, and receive a greater punishment 3.178
responding to a question from a church on why Jesus had not returned and what he was waiting for-
the Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 peter 3.9
so god allows unbelievers to live,in hopes they will come to believe in him.

　
Allah – The Greatest Deceiver of them All
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_best_deceiver.htm
god is deceitful 8.41-45 allah is a schemer like man 86.17
god of the bible cannot lie Titus 1:2 Hebrews 6:18


god ordained death 40.67-73 god is the author of death,death was a original part of creation.
Death is the last enemy to be destroyed
Corinthians 15.26
　
　
no one dies unless god wills 3.144-46 term of every life is fixed 3.144-46 everyone has a allotted span of life before they are born 6.60-everyone death is predetermined by god 16.61-63 god is the cause of all death.
Death is the last enemy to be destroyed
Corinthians 15.26
　
god causes people to not see the truth 6.22-27 god leads the wrongdoers astray 14.25-30
god could have led all man to him, but he leads them astray because of there bad deeds 13.29-32
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. Rev 3.20 [refers to salvation]
I will never leave you nor forsake you. Hebrews 13:5
I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep I lay down My life for the sheep john 10
　
　
paradise is not a gift but a reward for good works 16.31-34 paradise is earned with labors 7.43 you go to heaven if your good deeds outweigh your bad deeds on a scale 23.99-105 other wise you go to hell judgment scales of deeds at judgment 21.45-50
paradise is freely given to all who accept
　
　
works before forgiveness 8.1-5 must do good works before forgiveness from allah 20.81-86 must do works to revive gods forgiveness 33.35 must earn gods mercy 7.156-157 god has mercy on those who do good works first 9.70-72
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3.16
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace
But where sin increased, grace increased all the more romans 5.20
　
　
the meanest beast in gods sight are the deaf and dumb 8.21-22 people are not all equal in allahs sight 32.16-20 Allah does not see all men as equal not all men are seen as equal to god 9.18-20
God shows personal favoritism to no man
Galatians 2.6
there is no favoritism with god
Romans 2 11
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus
Galatians 3.28
10 Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another? Malachi 2.10

allah has 99 names. mostly adjectives not one is god is a god of love
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 john 4.8
　
you go to heaven if your good deeds outweigh your bad deeds on a scale 23.99-105 other wise you go to hell, judgment scales of deeds at judgment 21.45-50 7.6-10
so there is No chance for redemption someone 50 years old bad works etc. If someone has change of heart at the age of 50 after living a horrible life, there sin is to great there is no chance for redemption even if they are truly try best to live a great life they have no chance of haven.
"Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10.13

man was created to be tried with affliction 90.1-7
man was created for a personal relationship with him
lev 26.12 1 john 4.19 gen 5.1 gen 1.27 rev 21 1-5
　
man was created weak 4.27-28
god created a original perfect man with free will


a impersonal god outside of his creation not really caring for his creation "these to eternal fire, and I care not"and these to paradise I care not"
kisasul-anbiya 21.9150 abu-dawood 2203 al timidhi 38 mishkat al misablih 3.112-13
personal god, that came into our world and suffered for us.


no one can speak with god in haven 78 37-38 no personal relationship with god in this life or afterlife
　1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John,[a] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new."
Revelations chapter 21 1-5 also rev 22 3-5 Isiah 2 1-4


believers will mock unbelievers in hell, as they recline upon there couches 83.35
high bosomed maidens for companions in haven 78 31-33 young boy servers who will seem like sprinkled pears 76 15-17 young boys will be there as waiters as fine as virgin pearls 52 22-31 bashful virgins in the garden of eden [heaven] 38.47-52 virgins and dark eyed virgins in heaven 55 53-67 53 -78 dark eyed virgins and flesh of fowls in heaven 56 17-33 recline in couches and wed black eyed houries 52 15-22 37.37-50 36.55-60 reclining couches in haven 76 55.13 18.30-18.34 jeweled couches in heaven 56.16 eat meat, in hadiths Muhammad taught if a person died in jihad they would get 70 virgins with 70 palaces
Isiah 11 6-9 Isiah 65.25 Revelations chapter 21 1-5 also rev 22 3-5 Isiah 2 1-4

　
no original perfect creation world created with death flaws earthquakes etc
in original creation animals were eaten, in fact they were created to be eaten ,death is a design of creation my allah,man was created imperfect
god causes man to die 80 18-20 god ordained death to people 56. 51-62 god causes people to die 45. 24-26,27 man was created weak 4.27-28animals created to be eaten 36.71-76 animals created for food 16.1-6 fish created for food 16.14 all animals in the sea are wholesome food 5.96 god created life and death that he might put us to the test 67 1-3 god ordained death to people 56. 51-62 god causes people to die 45. 24-26,27 god causes man to die 80 18-20
man was created impatient 70 animals created to be eaten 36.71-76
originally perfect creation no death disease sickness etc, originally vegetarian diets. Death is the enemy
future haven paradise to be like original when animals did not eat each other
The wolf will live with the lamb,
　　　the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling together;
　　　and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
　　　their young will lie down together,
　　　and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
　　　the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy
　　　on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the LORD
Isiah 11 6-9

25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
　　　and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
　　　and dust will be the serpent’s food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
　　　on all my holy mountain,"
　　　　　　　　　　　　says the LORD.
Isiah 65.25
　
poetry is a abomination 36 68-71
the bible is filled with poetry
　
children are a temptation 8.28
behold, children are a heritage from the LORD, the fruit of the womb a reward.



Muhammad vs Jesus

Murdered by Muhammad:
The Brutal Deaths of Islam’s Earliest Enemies　
http://www.acts17.net/articles/murderedbymuhammad.htm

Muhammad is to make war with nonbelivers and deal sternly with them 66.9
the koran says Mohammad is to be blameless for all he does
jesus took on blame of all.
　
Muhammad alone has right to dowries slave-girls for booty,daughters of his maternal and paternal uncles and aunts and any believing woman 33.50
Muhammad can change and acquire new slave girls 33.51-51
Jesus was given no special rights, and played the role of a servant [and slave] to mankind Philippians 2:5-8.
　
those that wrong Muhammad will be sternly punished -9.61
Jesus was wronged by us, and yet willfully dies for us on the cross -Romans 5.8
　
Muhammad was brought a woman in adultery and stoned her to death vol 2 book 23 hadith 413
Jesus was brought a woman caught in adultery and forgave her. -John 7:53-8:11
　
Mohammad's body like all "religious" leaders is buried in the ground [Medina]
Were is jesus's body?
　
Muhammad killed many enemies and political rivals, led many battles, beheaded prisoners of war, ordered assassinations, tortured people,had 12 wives,one 9years old when he was 54, said things like he was sent by god to kill unbelievers [and much more] and commanded his followers to do the same.
Jesus lived a sinless life,even his enemies could not point to fault in him, his greatest commandment to his followers was to love god with all your heart and love your neighbors as yourself.
　
Muhammad said"I have been ordered to fight with the people until they say none has the right to be worshiped but allah" vol 4 book 52 hadith 196
Jesus said Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God. And 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven
from the sermon on the mount

[basics]

total relism,

I saw quite by chance a youtube video of two guys renouncing Mohammed's claims and what surprised me was one in particular. Mohammed went to some place and when he got there he flung himself onto the ground in worship of three goddesses. For this it is said that Gabriel rebuked him. Now I don't remember where anything like that was written of Jesus, whom Mohammed superceded, doing. Why did Mohammed do this? Why if there is but one God?

[total relism]

total relism,

I saw quite by chance a youtube video of two guys renouncing Mohammed's claims and what surprised me was one in particular. Mohammed went to some place and when he got there he flung himself onto the ground in worship of three goddesses. For this it is said that Gabriel rebuked him. Now I don't remember where anything like that was written of Jesus, whom Mohammed superceded, doing. Why did Mohammed do this? Why if there is but one God?

I am not really sure about that, I did here he worshipped and bowed down to the ka'bah but not 100% sure on that. Also the one god of islam allah is just a pagan diety of 7th century arabia he is the moon god that is there symbol the cresent moon, it comes from the head diety of hundreds in 7th century arabia. Muhommod liked the idea of one god he herd from jews and chirtians and elevated the arabian pagan moon diety allah to single god status.

much of todays islamic teachings beliefs come from alredy exsiting 7th century pagan worship
pre -Islamic Arabia-human teachings


Muhammad took 7th century Arabian culture and elevated it to religious status pre Islamic Jewish monotheism, many non biblical apocrypha teachings found in Koran of Jesus clay birds to life speaking at birth [bible says his first miracle was in john 2.11 as adult], Mary giving birth under tree, 5 prayers, pray towards mecca, fast of Ramadan,circling the ka'bah,dietary laws clothing shirke? Chief authority civil rights,woman's veil, woman wear black ,men wear white, virgins in heaven ka'bah was holiest site in pre Islamic Arabia, jinn, lunar calender,the acount of cain and abel came from pre islamic jewish sources, all done by pre Islamic pagans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91hXGWrU6j4HYPERLINK http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Koran-Quick-Christian-Muslim/dp/0310248124
Mohamed just brought his local tribe god in Arabia Allah to a higher status there were many gods in Arabia at the time he just brought his local tribes already existing moon god to higher status.
that is why they have a crescent moon thats Allah the local pagan deity of Arabia
http://www.christianministriesintl.org/resources.html the religion of Islam
word Muslim used in pre Islamic Arabia and story of sun setting in mirkey water from pre islam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91hXGWrU6j4HYPERLINK superstition scientific mistakes

watch those debates for more

[Vanoi]

I only read a few lines, but it looks like to me your making Islam seem like while glorifying Christianity. I have a feeling most of what you posted is completely false.

[total relism]

I only read a few lines, but it looks like to me your making Islam seem like while glorifying Christianity. I have a feeling most of what you posted is completely false.

I cant help what each of them looks like just show what they are. The whole thing could be crap your right, one way to find out would be check refrences in koran and bible.

[Himster]

Oooo, religion bashing: fun.

[Blaze86420]

Oooo, religion bashing: fun.

Come off it, don't pretend that you disapprove of this, bashing religion happens to be an atheist's favorite past-time.

[Col. Tartleton]

Islam sucks. Christianity sucks less. Tell us something new.

[irontaino]

They're both pretty much the same thing.

[total relism]

They're both pretty much the same thing.

That is intersting you say that have you studied both? I cannot see them as the same, I see many similarities after all Muhammad took what he learned from christians and jews and added to it so there certainly are many similarities.

[basics]

" They're both pretty much the same thing."

irontaino,

No, they are quite separate things dependent on separate ideology. Islam depends totally on the mercy of God after death whilst Christianity stands on the grace of God executed before death. Since no man or woman can enter heaven tainted by the slightest of sin, the theory therefore becomes of most importance, meaning how does the Muslim get into heaven when he or she still at death is a sinner?

God has already set the barriers in two laws, natural and Moses', wherein each bring death to fallen man, that is sinning man. Therefore once death happens to the sinner he or she still cannot expect God to change what is immutably his or her sentence for being yet in sin. Every man, woman and child is in that bracket without exception. God in His wisdom saw that and therefore made it expedient that sin has to be erazed whilst any live if they are to return to Him.

That is why, He, God, told the first sinners that someday a Saviour would come from out of heaven that the curse be lifted and in Jesus Christ, He was that Saviour who paid the price for sin for those chosen by God to be saved. Islam cannot and will not accept that. The strange thing is that on the day of judgement, they willingly accept that it is Him they reject who is to judge them. It is not their god, not their prophet, but the One they refuse to accept as being God who will judge all things.

Quite apart from the fact that only God can justify, can judge all things, it is Jesus Christ who is judge and jury for all creation. Now if I had rejected Jesus Christ and yet accept it is He who is my judge as to where I am likely to go, I must admit to being apprehensive as to His bias on the matter, yet incredibly the Muslim accepts this is going to happen. This Jesus who said that all men must be born again to enter heaven is somehow going to change His policy and grant mercy to people who have called Him a cheat and a liar, who rely on works for their salvation when His Gospel has always been about grace, I somehow fear for them.

[MathiasOfAthens]

And the Christians took everything from Mithraism and the Celtic/Germanic/Greco-Roman pagan religions. The Jews took some of what they have from Gilgamesh and the Sumerian religion and the rest they just ing made up.

[Himster]

They're both based on unsubstantiated claims, enforced with threats of infinite torment.

[total relism]

And the Christians took everything from Mithraism and the Celtic/Germanic/Greco-Roman pagan religions. The Jews took some of what they have from Gilgamesh and the Sumerian religion and the rest they just ing made up.

They're both based on unsubstantiated claims, enforced with threats of infinite torment.

lol chistians took from celtic germanic the rest is made up ill wait for a good source from you mathias as your so good at backing up your claims please source were the "jews" took from germanic sources.

himster
that sounds more like your not willing to have a discuion only willing to have your beliefs stay intact.

[Himster]

himster
that sounds more like your not willing to have a discuion only willing to have your beliefs stay intact.

I try to keep my beliefs to a minimum, one day I hope to eliminate all my beliefs.
You can believe whatever nonesense you like, but don't be surprised if everyone laughs in your face because of it: and laugh we shall.

[total relism]

I try to keep my beliefs to a minimum, one day I hope to eliminate all my beliefs.
You can believe whatever nonesense you like, but don't be surprised if everyone laughs in your face because of it: and laugh we shall.

being a christian I not only espect you to laugh but to be angery upet call names etc its how I know im doing something right. You dont hate me you hate the message of jesus he said you would in bible, he also said you would think it foolish.

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1.18
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him
1 Corinthians 2 .14
14:1　The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
psalm 14.1



Thinking you can keep beliefs to a minimum shows you know very little of logic and worldviews, you could not operate and survive without beliefs, just stop beliving you must eat to survive see how that goes. As far as athism, that takes more faith than chirtianity, that would be A good 1v1 topic to debate sometime some of the things you must belive to be athist and you say your beliefs are kept at a minimum.

But please lets keep on topic do you have anything on comparing islam and christanity that you wanted to add?

[Himster]

being a christian I not only espect you to laugh but to be angery upet call names etc its how I know im doing something right. You dont hate me you hate the message of jesus he said you would in bible, he also said you would think it foolish.

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1.18
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him
1 Corinthians 2 .14
14:1　The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
psalm 14.1



Thinking you can keep beliefs to a minimum shows you know very little of logic and worldviews, you could not operate and survive without beliefs, just stop beliving you must eat to survive see how that goes. As far as athism, that takes more faith than chirtianity, that would be A good 1v1 topic to debate sometime some of the things you must belive to be athist and you say your beliefs are kept at a minimum.

?

I don't hate you, nor do I hate your false god or his message (it's impossible to hate something you don't even think exists). I just think it's funny to believe in a talking snake after the age of five.

You're confusing belief with knowledge. How quaint. You are beyond reasoning my friend.

Do you have any more jokes?

But please lets keep on topic do you have anything on comparing islam and christanity that you wanted to add

Yes: they're fundamentally identical, comparing them is intellectual :wub:.

[MathiasOfAthens]

lol chistians took from celtic germanic the rest is made up ill wait for a good source from you mathias as your so good at backing up your claims please source were the "jews" took from germanic sources.

himster
that sounds more like your not willing to have a discuion only willing to have your beliefs stay intact.

When did I say "Jews" (I dont know why you put Jews in quotations?) borrowed ideas from germanic pagan religions?

[Logios]

lol chistians took from celtic germanic the rest is made up ill wait for a good source from you mathias as your so good at backing up your claims please source were the "jews" took from germanic sources.

The concept of God is a prechristian Germanic concept. This is why we say God/Gott/Gud in northern Europe and they say Dieu/Dios/Dio/Dioz in southern Europe. When the new religion was introduced it was associated to the existing religious concepts. The word Hell comes from the norse godess Hel.
As an Asathru believer I belive in God, as in the collective power of the Gods, and I am not really sure if you christians can borrow God from us anymore. Maybe you should join Jehovas Witnesses TR, there they believe in a "purer" form of christianity without other religious influences, they also don't celebrate christmas as this is based on the Germanic Yuhle and the Roman Saturnalia that were held at the same time (roughly) to be timed with the winter solstice. The Carnival (have you eaten meat this month BTW) also is based on the Roman month of fasting (February it is called), and in its celebration (and that of Easter) in Northern Europe we have lots of prechristian symbols of fertility.
And then there is the days of the week, the numbers and other stuff.
You can just google this stuff yourself, or I can write it to you on a post-it if you want a written source.

[total relism]

When did I say "Jews" (I dont know why you put Jews in quotations?) borrowed ideas from germanic pagan religions?

sorry I thought you meant the bible [written by those damn Jews]

You're still not responding to my question...

must have missed it, could you be so kind as to repost it for me?

The concept of God is a Christian Germanic concept. This is why we say God/Gott/Gud in northern Europe and they say Dieu/Dios/Dio/Dioz in southern Europe. When the new religion was introduced it was associated to the existing religious concepts. The word Hell comes from the norse godess Hell.
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I think you may honestly believe this so ill give you some time line here, OT goes back thousands of years before anything from Germania, I hate to say it but man has always believed in A god it did not originate with German Odin worshipers. your just pointing out different languages and how they say god.

hell
Of course in the N.T. the word "hell" in English comes from three principal Greek words, Hades, Gehenna and Tartarus, plus there are several other allusions to Hell and other terms for a place of torment. Some of these include outer darkness (exoteros skotos), the Abyss and Bottomless Pit (Both terms are abussos in the Greek) and the final destination of those not written in the Lamb's Book of Life, the Lake of Fire (limne pur).

the word "hell" appears 31 times in the O.T. and only 23 times in the N.T. In all 31 O.T. instances, the Hebrew word is "Sheol" and this word has a couple of different meanings. It can mean simply "the grave" or "the tomb in the earth where a body is laid after death". It can also refer to the two separate places where the righteous and the wicked went after death. There are also other times in Hebrew where the term Sheol is not used, but the concept of a destination place for the dead souls of mankind is clearly implied or directly stated. In the newer English translation, the majority of times Sheol is just transliterated into English as Sheol, although "hell" is kept in many places (19 of the 31 times in the NKJV) but zero times in almost all other English translations (ESV, NIV, NAS)

As an Asathru believer I belive in God,
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what the hell [look above] is that?

as in the collective power of the Gods, and I am not really sure if you christians can borrow God from us anymore.
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trust me we never borrowed god from any pagans

Maybe you should join Jehovas Witnesses TR, there they believe in a "purer" form of christianity without other religious influences, they also don't celebrate christmas as this is based on the Germanic Yuhle and the Roman Saturnalia that were held at the same time (roughly) to be timed with the winter solstice.
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I am very well aware of them and have debated many of them they are not pure so I dint know what that means infected by pagan influence? such as easter Christmas etc ok I agree with that. So are many Christian's. you may enjoy this.

　
Every day people are straying away from the church and going back to God. Really. ~Lenny Bruce, "Religions Inc.," in The Essential Lenny Bruce, ed. John Cohen, 1967

The Carnival (have you eaten meat this month BTW) also is based on the Roman month of fasting (February it is called), and in its celebration (and that of Easter) in Northern Europe we have lots of prechristian symbols of fertility.
And then there is the days of the week, the numbers and other stuff.
You can just google this stuff yourself, or I can write it to you on a post-it if you want a written source.

I have no idea what your talking about but I would like to here what you have to say pm maybe, Im not catholic so i dont know what your talking about, also god in OT set up 7 days a week from hebrew writings. easter Christmas are not part of bible so your post has done nothing to support that the bible was influenced by Germanic sources.


im going to repost topic title for all
comparing islam and christanity