Modern Age (A Contemporary Fantasy Mod Idea)

**Col. Tartleton** · March 27, 2012, 09:56 AM

WIP Brainstorm

Medieval Game Play with Modern Nation States

I selected 199 Cities which did a balanced job of representing world population, urbanization, and advancement. As such the United States has half again as many provinces as India. America has the infrastructure which dwarfs the few countries larger than it and is highly decentralized across both coasts and the Midwest. China still has the most provinces, however it will have internal problems which prevent it from steam rolling its ways across Asia for a while (same with India). The US begins with a huge debt.Smaller capital cities of other countries would be stone forts full of rebels while major military installations would be full of troops. For example Fort Bragg would be a major installation in what is North Carolina and Fort Benning would be an installation in Georgia and Fort Knox would be in Kentucky.

The Assassin would be used for Strategic Air Power as they can attack enemy commanders and sabotage infrastructure. They'd have to have their move distance modified a bit. You put a fleet off their coast and you can use them to launch attacks at their cities and armies or deploy forces.

Spies become Spy Satellites. Which can be disabled (caught.)

Merchants represent entire companies developing the resources in an area.

Diplomats wouldn't change very much.

The two main religions are Globalism and Isolationism. Globalism is Catholicism and Isolationism is Heresy. The United Nations is located in NYC (I might consider NYC being 2 cities so the US will still have it), anyhow since everyone is UN any wars against powerful countries gets you shouted down by the UN. If you try to conquer too fast or otherwise mess with His Eminence the Secretary General Ban Ki Moon you can invoke a world wide Coalition Army to destroy you. "Terrorism" might be a Pagan religion, seeing as Witches have the ability to give negative effects. UN Inspectors (Inquisitors could also feature.)

Sovereign (Playable) Factions:

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Rebels:

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Various International Organizations (Guilds):

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**David93** · March 27, 2012, 04:29 PM

Hmm intresting, quite a nice idea

Hope you dont mind some critisim/questions
your city distribution is of imo though
france is as powerful as britian and germany so deserves at least 4
china could lose a few about 12 same with the USA
Russia deserves more, you shouldnt just use population, but military strength and spending power, so australia and canada need more too
Brazil could stand to lose a few
and are you doing korean peninsula or just north/south?

other wise looks good

**Col. Tartleton** · March 28, 2012, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by David93

Hmm intresting, quite a nice idea

Hope you dont mind some critisim/questions
your city distribution is of imo though
france is as powerful as britian and germany so deserves at least 4

Most likely will be changed. It's just that the other major cities in France are quite a bit smaller. I'll probably re-balance it again. Part of my thinking is that if you took Paris you basically take France, it's so centralized. But that's not really fair to the French faction.

china could lose a few about 12 same with the USA

Quite possible. The Eastern and Southern provinces/municipalities are tiny so they could be combined. America could trim the fat.

Russia deserves more, you shouldnt just use population, but military strength and spending power, so australia and canada need more too

Yeah I kind of went around this backwards. I put a focus on cities of the world and then went backwards into assigning them to their respective countries.

Brazil could stand to lose a few

Yeah they have a disproportionate amount. It's a very urbanized country, so that's why it's disproportionate.

and are you doing korean peninsula or just north/south?

North Korea (Pyongyang) would be an Asian rebel region. It's not exactly a world player, but it's a major military power in the region so it would be quite built up militarily.

other wise looks good

This is a better look at what I was thinking.

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I'd want it to be kind of fantasy. So it's the modern places with a more medieval-historical feeling. Either make them look totally modern and just reduce their weapons to fit the system (for example making a G36 into an Aquebus) which would have a more table top feeling to it. Or alternatively put the troops in their dress uniforms and make it a bit more colorful and stylized. I've seen the Monster Bombard turned into a "tank" by making it a unit rather than siege equipment, so tanks are definitely doable. Personally I think both would have an appeal, but a more Napoleonic style would look better in the engine and give it an appeal. Other games are more appropriate for realistic portrayals. This could be something more exotic. But that's just a thought. Realistic would be better.

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**Noobio** · March 27, 2012, 06:02 PM

this sounds completely crazy !!! haha i like it !

best of luck with it!

**JarlFrank** · March 28, 2012, 07:48 AM

Sounds awesome, I'd love to conquer the world with Germany. Rise of the Fourth Reich and all that.

How would you design the units? Don't know if tanks will be possible (or just make tanks into elephant-like units) and full auto rifles should be hard to make too, but the idea is definitely awesome!

**Noobio** · March 28, 2012, 02:32 PM

i'm pretty sure to have seen rifles and tanks by some place..

maybe Planet war ?

**Col. Tartleton** · March 28, 2012, 03:13 PM

I know they did it for the Great War, but that's on Empire or Napoleon.

I figure a unit of say 36 Infantry and 3 Officers would be an Infantry Platoon. Give them a decent amount of spread normally and make the spread large enough when they're in loose and it will look relatively sane. The Lithuanian Handgunners "not knowing they're gunners" makes them fire en masse and without reloading, would make them shoot properly as a group. Furthermore for some units you could give them an alternative fire mode to use grenade launchers I imagine, albeit with limited ammunition. It'd be quite different in itself. Then one simply assigns numbers of wounds to the units to represent body armor type stuff have a real effect. Their close combat weapon could be a Bayonet added onto the rifle which would use the Halberd animations or a combat knife if that's more appropriate.

A self propelled Howitzer would be quite doable, though Battle tanks might be a bit off. Depends if turrets could be done convincingly to pan and shoot at enemies. Horse Archers do so, so it would be possible. Four Howitzers or Tanks would be a Platoon as well. Artillery would be similar. Four Howitzers or Six Mortars with 24 men.

**JarlFrank** · March 29, 2012, 09:02 AM

Yeah, I definitely think it's doable with some workarounds - I think Call of Warhammer has included steam tanks, which, while different from modern tanks, should be pretty similar.

Anti tank guns are possible too, as modified ballistas with higher damage.

**Christonikos** · March 29, 2012, 09:27 AM

Wait a moment. Is North Korea not playable? I mean they have the 4rth largest army in the world and nuclear weapons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IteJNatOV8E

**Col. Tartleton** · March 29, 2012, 11:59 AM

Nothing is remotely finalized. Just a brainstorm. I'd probably Switch Syria with Iraq now that I think about it and Add NK as the 31st faction among other things.

I'm tinkering with an Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the Earth centered around the Gulf of Guinea. If you're not sure what that is, its similar to the one on the UN flag, albeit that's an arctic focus. I figure its the best way to show 21st century word trade routes, plus it's not how we usually look at the world. Plus it manages to only distort Australia and Indonesia, which is better than distorting Greenland. Australia is pretty big, so its not absurd. Plus it allows for Battlefield Antarctica.

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The Northern Ice Cap isn't really worth it since it will grow and shrink, and could even disappear (if we're lucky) during the 21st century.

I think the starting point should be September 2001. That way we recent history could be changed. 9/11 was a major turning point in world events. The dominoes are still falling.

**ggggtotalwarrior** · March 29, 2012, 07:30 PM

can you mod? I've seen a few mod threads started by you that didn't get off the ground, although I'm really hoping you can get something started with this. It's a pretty good idea, and I like it (although my ideas for modern TW's always involve some kind of modern US Civil War/Faction split-up

)

BTW- like the profile pic

**kirush2** · March 30, 2012, 10:20 AM

Great idea, but to realise it it is impossible. What modern war can be waged without aircraft or missiles? But as time aircraft and missiles to introduce in the M2TW impossible.

**Scotty1207** · April 07, 2012, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by kirush2

Great idea, but to realise it it is impossible. What modern war can be waged without aircraft or missiles? But as time aircraft and missiles to introduce in the M2TW impossible.

Missiles can be done just like spells have been done. On another note I very much like this idea!

**Pazu the Kitsune** · March 30, 2012, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton

WIP Brainstorm

Medieval Game Play with Modern Nation States

I selected 199 Cities which did a balanced job of representing world population, urbanization, and advancement. As such the United States has half again as many provinces as India. America has the infrastructure which dwarfs the few countries larger than it and is highly decentralized across both coasts and the Midwest. China still has the most provinces, however it will have internal problems which prevent it from steam rolling its ways across Asia for a while (same with India). The US begins with a huge debt.Smaller capital cities of other countries would be stone forts full of rebels while major military installations would be full of troops. For example Fort Bragg would be a major installation in what is North Carolina and Fort Benning would be an installation in Georgia and Fort Knox would be in Kentucky.

The Assassin would be used for Strategic Air Power as they can attack enemy commanders and sabotage infrastructure. They'd have to have their move distance modified a bit. You put a fleet off their coast and you can use them to launch attacks at their cities and armies or deploy forces.

Spies become Spy Satellites. Which can be disabled (caught.)

Merchants represent entire companies developing the resources in an area.

Diplomats wouldn't change very much.

The two main religions are Globalism and Isolationism. Globalism is Catholicism and Isolationism is Heresy. The United Nations is located in NYC (I might consider NYC being 2 cities so the US will still have it), anyhow since everyone is UN any wars against powerful countries gets you shouted down by the UN. If you try to conquer too fast or otherwise mess with His Eminence the Secretary General Ban Ki Moon you can invoke a world wide Coalition Army to destroy you. "Terrorism" might be a Pagan religion, seeing as Witches have the ability to give negative effects. UN Inspectors (Inquisitors could also feature.)

Sovereign (Playable) Factions:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Rebels:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Various International Organizations (Guilds):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Nice ideas, has the potential to be an awesome mod

Heres how id do it though, rather different so dont feel that you have to change it, though i still want to speak my mind:

1 - Make the setting an alternate universe, America 80 years in the future.
East asian companies have out competed and bought American companies. Companies based in Beijing, Hong Kong, Seoul and Tokyo now completely dominate the American economy; Naturally America becomes heavily engaged in the region. The economic bubble in Japan bursts, sinking Japan into a depression which eventually leads to a newly militaristic Japan. Regional connections draw America into a war with Japan even as the masses clamour to remain neutral and kick the foreign businessmen out of America. Asian businesses leave America to return to their homelands where they are needed for the war efforts, and in response to the massive protests. This slumps America into a massive depression.

Around this time Japan develops satelites that can disarm nuclear weapons from space. With the nuclear option eliminated, insufficient manpower and resources, America must make a truce with Japan.

Now it is the year 2094 and the American government holds little to no real power. True power is held by a series of militias and organizations scattered across the landscape.
These would form the different factions.

Since its in the future, you could include advanced technologies such as robots and Mech suits (which i have always wanted to see in a mod

)

Wow sorry for derailing but anyways love the mod concept, remember that just because its not 100% realistic (in other words, no air strikes/aerial vehicles on the battle map) doesnt mean you shouldnt pursue such a mod....good luck

**Christonikos** · March 31, 2012, 03:23 AM

1st. Instead of Globalism and Isolation, you could have Democracy or Dictatorship. And you may could give to the muslims the opportunity for jihads.
2nd. Why not having a normal map, not earthlike shape?

**Col. Tartleton** · April 01, 2012, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by ggggtotalwarrior

can you mod? I've seen a few mod threads started by you that didn't get off the ground, although I'm really hoping you can get something started with this. It's a pretty good idea, and I like it (although my ideas for modern TW's always involve some kind of modern US Civil War/Faction split-up

)

BTW- like the profile pic

I'm more of an ideas guy. Which of course I know doesn't go very far here. It's hard for me to commit too much energy to an idea or expect others to commit to my ideas. There's a few people on here who can do just about everything which boggles my mind. They can just make a pretty polished mod solo. The fact I'm aware that sale pitches of executive vision are insulting to people who have their own vision and more hands on ability. But Mods have their researchers and odd job type stuff. So that's where I see myself.

Yeah my profile pic is to go with my sig. Daniel Tosh did some ridiculous Taco Bell commercials back in the 90s.

Originally Posted by kirush2

Great idea, but to realise it it is impossible. What modern war can be waged without aircraft or missiles? But as time aircraft and missiles to introduce in the M2TW impossible.

Strategic Map. Assassins can kill people and sabotage infrastructure. It's an abstraction.

Originally Posted by Pazu the Kitsune

Nice ideas, has the potential to be an awesome mod

Heres how id do it though, rather different so dont feel that you have to change it, though i still want to speak my mind:

1 - Make the setting an alternate universe, America 80 years in the future.
East asian companies have out competed and bought American companies. Companies based in Beijing, Hong Kong, Seoul and Tokyo now completely dominate the American economy; Naturally America becomes heavily engaged in the region. The economic bubble in Japan bursts, sinking Japan into a depression which eventually leads to a newly militaristic Japan. Regional connections draw America into a war with Japan even as the masses clamour to remain neutral and kick the foreign businessmen out of America. Asian businesses leave America to return to their homelands where they are needed for the war efforts, and in response to the massive protests. This slumps America into a massive depression.

Around this time Japan develops satelites that can disarm nuclear weapons from space. With the nuclear option eliminated, insufficient manpower and resources, America must make a truce with Japan.

Now it is the year 2094 and the American government holds little to no real power. True power is held by a series of militias and organizations scattered across the landscape.
These would form the different factions.

Since its in the future, you could include advanced technologies such as robots and Mech suits (which i have always wanted to see in a mod

)

Mechs are kind of silly. There's nothing a bipedal or quadrupedal vehicle can do better than a helicopter or wheeled vehicle. Powered Armor would be more realistic but limited to certain circumstances. Frankly I see body armor getting lighter and soldiers looking roughly half way between how they do now and articulated gothic armor, with the entire thing from head to toe being covered in adaptive camo.

Wow sorry for derailing but anyways love the mod concept, remember that just because its not 100% realistic (in other words, no air strikes/aerial vehicles on the battle map) doesnt mean you shouldnt pursue such a mod....good luck

I'm still stuck in terms of the feel I'd like to see. I think one could succeed in a high end RTS level of realism, but obviously it wouldn't exactly replicate real combat. Alternatively a highly stylized alternate universe could be quite cool and more closely follow the restraints of the engine. Part of me wants to see something eclectic and bizarre like a blend of medieval, Victorian, and modern stuff. There's something about a Conquistador with a arquebus that shoots bad ~~science~~ religion. Baroque "Clockwork Punk" is a bit less silly than the "Stick a top hat, greatcoat,and goggles on it" brand of Steam Punk aesthetics.

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Originally Posted by Christonikos

1st. Instead of Globalism and Isolation, you could have Democracy or Dictatorship. And you may could give to the muslims the opportunity for jihads.
2nd. Why not having a normal map, not earthlike shape?

Well Globalism or Isolation is just in terms of whether or not you're down with the United Nations (Papacy) So either you're Catholic (Globalist), Heretic (Isolationist), or Pagan (Terrorist.) Religion doesn't really matter internationally. It's more of an internal thing. Turkey is secular, the Arabs are Sunni, the Persians are Shiite. There's no real cohesive Islam. Likewise the various Orthodox, various Catholics, and countless Protestant sects aren't really cohesive. They're more of an internal issue. International Security Assistance Forces work as crusades. I don't really see a polarization between UN and Anti-UN bodies. There are internal quibbles between the major powers, but its all quite tame.

Normal Map would be pretty limited in terms of the shape. With a round map you can travel around better. For example if I do an east hemisphere vs west hemisphere divided by the Atlantic Ocean or Pacific Ocean that would be to the detriment of the other. On the other hand if I put the Americas in the middle with both the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans as factors I have to split Asia in half. Or if Eurasia in central the Americas are split. This globe projection works a lot better although it looks pretty weird.

**Pazu the Kitsune** · April 01, 2012, 04:48 PM

Mechs are kind of silly. There's nothing a bipedal or quadrupedal vehicle can do better than a helicopter or wheeled vehicle. Powered Armor would be more realistic but limited to certain circumstances. Frankly I see body armor getting lighter and soldiers looking roughly half way between how they do now and articulated gothic armor, with the entire thing from head to toe being covered in adaptive camo.

I highly beg to differ with your point, good sir, bipedal mecha that are, say, 10 feet tall or less are more stealthy than helicopters and are able to get to rugged terrain that wheeled vehicles are not. Also great for raiding bases, since often times neither helicopters nor wheeled vehicles can get in.

Anyways best of luck with your mod, if you ever decide to include bipedal mecha then contact me and ill happily get started on making the 3d models

**Col. Tartleton** · April 02, 2012, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Pazu the Kitsune

I highly beg to differ with your point, good sir, bipedal mecha that are, say, 10 feet tall or less are more stealthy than helicopters and are able to get to rugged terrain that wheeled vehicles are not. Also great for raiding bases, since often times neither helicopters nor wheeled vehicles can get in.

Anyways best of luck with your mod, if you ever decide to include bipedal mecha then contact me and ill happily get started on making the 3d models

That's powered armor. Mechas are way bigger than ten feet or less. Ten feet or less is a powered exoskeleton around six foot person. Mecha are big walking vehicles like Gundams or the giant walkers from Star Wars. If we're only arguing semantics it's not really an issue.

I'll look for some concept art. I'm still trying to decide if this should be futuristic or an alternative world. I put in a poll.

**Ciciro** · April 01, 2012, 05:15 PM

Mechs in total war? Now that would be interesting. Though i dont think that mechs would be in the modern era.

**Christonikos** · April 01, 2012, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by skynet464

Mechs in total war? Now that would be interesting. Though i dont think that mechs would be in the modern era.

If you want Mechs, try Planet War beta.

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