I would like more ... roman rebellions!

[Jean Lannes]

Hi all!

Okay,the title itself is a little provocation but it reassumes well the goal of my reasoning.
I was thinking about the Second Rebellion which,we all know,occurs when you reach 85 settlements in Roman campaign as described below by Apple ( )

The Second Rebellion occurs towards the end of your campaign. Namely, it occurs when you reach 85 settlements. This is a simulation of a combination of the Republican Civil War of Julius Caesar, the Civil War of Octavian, as well as the tumultuous civil war of the Year of the Four Emperors. Entire provinces will be lost, large swathes of land will turn themselves to the Roman Rebels Faction, and your armies will be near decimated if the rebellion is big enough. This is the defining moment of any Roman player's mettle. Do you retreat towards a base of operation and slowly rebuild? Will you trade space and lives for time? Will you mount an all out assault against Rome and the feared Praetorian legions in the hopes of regaining your homeland? Will you ultimately regain control of your empire or die trying? Conversely, if the rebellion allows you Italy, will you crush the rebels beneath your boots? Or will a few ambitious men overthrow your hold of power and sweep away all that you have worked for? And all while fighting the rebellion, the external enemies of Rome are eyeing her weakness and are all preparing to take advantage of a rich divided empire...

Now,this Big rebellion should represent the problematic period that goes from Marius/Silla to the Year of the Four Emperors ... that's a very long time and very,very different situations!
It's like reassume in one rebellion two centuries of roman history!
In addition,the second rebellion is non-homogeneous and,sometimes,a bit irrealistic in the distribution of the provinces that rebel.

What about introduce the possibility that,sometimes,randomly,generals or governors rebel with their armies and provinces? The size of the rebellion should be influenced by the loyality of the nearby provinces and the readiness and effectiveness with wich you put an end to the rebellion.

That should provide more fun and force the player to be more careful in choosing generals,governors and,overall,his way of playing!
More the faction leader is hated,more it's likely that he will have to face more then one rebellion!

[LoGaL]

dude it's exactly what did happen in 2.5... the loyality system was introduced to simulate that...
If you bother to read the treads of the patch

[CTD_or_Bust]

Ouch on that first response. But yeah I've had one city/general rebellions in my 2.5 H/H roman campaign. Spain, Italy (southern) and Greece. Provinces just decide ok I've had enough of going from blue to red every other turn bye.

Scipio Africanus even turned coat on me.

Dramatic interpretation of Scipios betrayal

It's pretty tough to keep a hold of cities without a 80% garrison until you've really got the basic infrastructure in. If you, say leave a city because you have to keep on fighting and can't reinforce aand eventually the population swings back after you reduced it.. blam city be gone.

Are you looking for more things like this or are you looking for more scripted "Conquer all of Spain:3 cities in Italy rebel"

[Jean Lannes]

Scipio Africanus even turned coat on me.

Dramatic interpretation of Scipios betrayal

[alexanderswift]

Scipio Africanus even turned coat on me.

Dramatic interpretation of Scipios betrayal

Best thing I've seen in a while.


I don't think more Roman rebellions would be good, but more rebellions would be interesting. People's uprisings that come from taking (for example) all of a factions home regions would be interesting, especially if the AI could trigger them as well. Multiple Roman rebel factions would be interesting too, it does seem odd when a random general takes a city and secedes he joins a previously existing faction.

[Jean Lannes]

dude it's exactly what did happen in 2.5... the loyality system was introduced to simulate that...
If you bother to read the treads of the patch

Frankly,I read it but I did'nt find this ... can you help me?

So,there are no more "fixed rebellions" such as in RS 2.1?

[Ferdiad]

It's called Loyalty, disloyal generals will revolt.

[TheFaceCC]

ive been told sometimes its better to destroy all buildings and start from scratch in certain cases, i feel like this helped me in spain because i had places wanting to revolt against me too, ive noticed on certain cities/towns their AI building queue was strange like built things in a completely messed up order so my guess is when you take it over thats why it could just try to force you out, if you decide against destroying certain buildings i would just spend all of your money on buildings that help law order and happiness until your in the clear otherwise be prepared

[CTD_or_Bust]

I've reached the major rebellion and lol. I don't.want.no.more.rebellions!

[The Doubtful Guest]

I haven't had any more rebellions since the scripted one after Hannibal, thank God. But I did have one General with a 1/4 stack get bought by the Greeks... What a traitor... I had to bring a stack back from the frontier to deal with him.

[Constantius]

I'm not sure either, be nice to have the various civil wars separate would it not? Sulla-Marius, Caesar-Pompey, Octavian- Marcus Anthonius etc perhaps even native revolts... Jewish revolt springs to mind

[LoGaL]

no there are bot fixed and random ones

[CTD_or_Bust]

Just a thought: you know how characters have something like a 1% chance every turn to gain certain traits? That'd be cool if territories you haven't made client state or citizens had a very small chance of rebellion every turn a family member is governor. Like the Roman Rebellions. Actually it'd be cool if that happened even without a family member governor and having a family member slightly increased the chance.

That way you'd have your rebellions and spicy, active empire, AND you'd have serious motivation to incorporate your provinces into your empire.

[LoGaL]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=527894
There you go.. Those are supposed to be all the changelogs i think....
Basically those are all the preview posts togheter and there should be the loyality sistem too

[LegionaireX]

How big is the first roman rebellion suppose to be? In my campaign in Italy only 2 settlements revolted.

[Ferdiad]

Thats about right. It simulates the 2nd Punic War.

[Constantius]

Sorry to be fussy, but I like the rebellions, but I am having family members rebelling almost every turn, full legions! one minute they seem loyal, great generals etc etc , next rebels...anyway to tone it down just a touch?

[Diocle]

I'm sorry:
but if the loyalty system is like that of SPQR, if I understand the words of Constantius; well, I'll never play 2.5!...Never!!! I hate the casual rebellions!!! One or two OK! But the AI uses the system in an evil way: all your best generals/family mambers will rebel! No! I do not like this feature!!!

[Ferdiad]

I'm sorry:
but if the loyalty system is like that of SPQR, if I understand the words of Constantius; well, I'll never play 2.5!...Never!!! I hate the casual rebellions!!! One or two OK! But the AI uses the system in an evil way: all your best generals/family mambers will rebel! No! I do not like this feature!!!

I know that feeling.
1.Win a battle with your most Loyal general.
2.Next turn rebels

[Diocle]

...So dear Ferdifriend also you.....also you saw the horror, the hell of the betrayal in SPQR!!

My General was a good man, he was really a good man, he had a family in Rome, some childs, a nice wife of noble birth, he conquerd...Carthago and other two or three Punic Cities, he won a lot of battles he was a true Roman Hero!!! Then........ he betrayed, no reason, no signals....nothing: only AI using the script in its silly way!!!....uninstalled SPQR, end of the sad story!!