Narrow passage for Sparta 300

[ricandy144]

I wonder why there's no narrow passage for Spartan hoplites to re-play a battle of 300 vs thousands of Roman legionaries

[Lt.Speirs]

Yea except the fact that the '300' spartans didnt face the romans but the persian hordes of Xerxes, its a good idea to include thermopylae on the battle map.

Personally I think the 300 spartans wouldnt stand a chance against the heavily armored roman legions instead of wood and paper armored persians. Let alone some ballistae bolts into the spartan ranks

[Grimbold]

Yea except the fact that the '300' spartans didnt face the romans but the persian hordes of Xerxes, its a good idea to include thermopylae on the battle map.

Personally I think the 300 spartans wouldnt stand a chance against the heavily armored roman legions instead of wood and paper armored persians. Let alone some ballistae bolts into the spartan ranks

I sure hope you're exaggerating.

[ur-Lord Tedric]

I sure hope you're exaggerating.

He might not be!

Remember the Spartans needed 300, the Romans only needed 3.......Horatio and his 2 chums!

And everyone also forgets the other Greeks that were with the Spartans.

That said, one-on-one, I would suggest that one Persian (conscripted and unwilling) would be beaten by one Roman (trained and experienced in war), who would be beaten by one Spartan (lived and breathed warfare); who would then probably be killed by one Gladiator (who killed or died and trained only for one-on-one combat).

But Thermopylae was unusual and not really something that can be gamed in such a simulation. Try Warhammer Hero Rules (something like Lord of the Rings at Helm's Deep and the Gimli-bomb) instead.

[CTD_or_Bust]

A) Romans had the technological superiority that one of the touchstones of Spartan might a century earlier
B) Why would the Romans go to Thermopylae at all.

[Hektor27]

A) Romans had the technological superiority that one of the touchstones of Spartan might a century earlier
B) Why would the Romans go to Thermopylae at all.

Antiochus Seleucid force vs Republican Roman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...e_%28191_BC%29

Thermopylae is the "gate" into Peloponnese. Any army hoping for a quick march into or out of mainland Greece has to go through it. Heck, even the German had to battle their way through the pass during WWII.

[Thracian Princess]

And everyone also forgets the other Greeks that were with the Spartans.

That's a good point. I sometimes forget that there were also something like 10,000 - if 300 is to be believed - other Greeks with the Spartans at the time.

[ur-Lord Tedric]

That's a good point. I sometimes forget that there were also something like 10,000 - if 300 is to be believed - other Greeks with the Spartans at the time.

There were very definitely some 700 Lacdemonians (sp) with them until near the end, not to mention the others that were in the mountains behind (that ran off when the Persians came.....).

But a Guard of '300' was a normal number earlier and became something of a legend after - it's a very recurring number for an elite unit of the period.

[Thracian Princess]

Although I think 300 Spartans would lose to thousands of Romans if they ever fought at Thermopylae, I think it'd still be a fun fight and I think it'd be cool to have Thermopylae as a battle map.

[Siimus Maximus]

There is Termopylae in custom battles actually. I wonder why isn't there that narrow mountain passage instead of those hills or whatever there is. It would be fun to fight that battle.

[Comandante]

Spartans are so overrated -_-

[Grimbold]

The Greek force was numbered almost at 10.000, but the one that stayed behind, after the Persians finally managed to outflank the greek host, was indeed 300 Spartans ALONG with a few hundreds of other greeks from different city-states.

People still use the movie as a source it seems.

[Primo]

People still use the movie as a source it seems.

Well, it seems historically correct, don´t you think?

[Grimbold]

Well, it seems historically correct, don´t you think?

If you think that Spartans went into battle in the fashion that the movie portrays them, then you're mistaken.

Also there weren't more than 250.000 persians. The numbers were more around 100.000.

And the movie portrays the battle as the 300 Spartans doing most of the battle most of the time, which is wrong.

Portrayal of the Immortals units is ridiculous.

Need i go on?

[gaunty14]

If you think that Spartans went into battle in the fashion that the movie portrays them, then you're mistaken.

Also there weren't more than 250.000 persians. The numbers were more around 100.000.

And the movie portrays the battle as the 300 Spartans doing most of the battle most of the time, which is wrong.

Portrayal of the Immortals units is ridiculous.

Need i go on?

Sarcasm is lost on you isn't it

[TheDarkKnight]

People still use the movie as a source it seems.

This

I like the movie, but I absolutely hated how after seeing it everyone thought themselves an expert on Greek warfare...If the Spartans had fought like that at the actual battle (specifically the breaking ranks) they would have been overwhelmed so quickly.

[NightHawkJaeger]

This

I like the movie, but I absolutely hated how after seeing it everyone thought themselves an expert on Greek warfare...If the Spartans had fought like that at the actual battle (specifically the breaking ranks) they would have been overwhelmed so quickly.

Of course the movie is historical, didn't Gerard Butler exist back then?

[TheDarkKnight]

Of course the movie is historical, didn't Gerard Butler exist back then?

Of course...Along with battle rhinos and Oliphants...

[Durnaug]

Spartans are so overrated -_-

There is definitely a "myth of Sparta" and the silly movie just created even more of an opaque miasma around the whole subject. And the Spartans would've loved it! They encouraged the myth as much as anyone. However, I would not underrate the Spartans either.

Antiochus Seleucid force vs Republican Roman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...e_%28191_BC%29

Thermopylae is the "gate" into Peloponnese. Any army hoping for a quick march into or out of mainland Greece has to go through it. Heck, even the German had to battle their way through the pass during WWII.

This. The pass should be represented.

[TheDarkKnight]

There is definitely a "myth of Sparta" and the silly movie just created even more of an opaque miasma around the whole subject. And the Spartans would've loved it! They encouraged the myth as much as anyone. However, I would not underrate the Spartans either.

They were good, to be sure, but they were not invincible...