The Benefits of Being in the NAU

[Col. Tartleton]

Since I have no problem with Canadians or Mexicans and I'm pretty sure the European Union is plotting to take over the world (Peace in Europe for 50 years? More like preparing for the war to end all wars...) I think the (North) American people need to take a serious look at the North American Union. The socio-economic unification of 3 countries who have had a long history of friendship is far less complicated than of dozens with a long history of beating each other to death. An effectively bilingual super state (English and Spanish) is pretty damn manageable especially if we Lingua Franca with English.

The US-Canadian border is basically a state border with a toll booth for political reasons. We all speak English (Quebec speaks English. They choose not to purely because it is far less convenient for everyone else.) Militarily we are already pretty integrated on account of the Soviets saber rattling that they'd nuke us both for like 50 years. We even share sport leagues. Hockey and Baseball are both international leagues.

To our south the US-Mexican border is a cluster because they want to work here illegally. Now hypothetically if we got rid of the border... well there wouldn't be much of a problem. I very much doubt the amount of drugs and border murders could get any higher... It would probably go down.

Basically all we'd have to do is get the Mexican and Canadian states/provinces/territories to ratify a slightly modified US constitution and be entered as member states. We could put our shared NAU capital in Houston, Texas as that's the largest city in the middle of the continent and a major world class port city. I think Houston is the center of North American culture. It's American, but it's got a strong Mexican situation going on, and Canada is pretty much America, so as long as you've got Mexico and America you've got Canada by default. I'd say N'Orleans since that's also got a French vibe which the Canadians would feel good about, but that damned city is cursed.

Population:
USA: 313,847,465 People
CAN: 34,300,083 People
MEX: 114,975,406 People
NAU: 463,122,954 People

GDP:
USA: 15.06 Trillion USD
CAN: 1.759 Trillion USD
MEX: 1.185 Trillion USD
NAU: 18.004 Trillion USD
WORLD: 63.12 Trillion USD

Per Capita: 38,875. 20 USD

Not too shabby. 1/14th the world population and 1/3 the money (slightly more than the EU). Brilliant! Plus we'll accelerate the growth of Mexico's economy which will have long term benefits to everyone. Mexicans not being Southern Europeans means while poorer they'll lift us all up, as they get stronger, not drag us down.

[6644kp]

Though nice in theory only Canada is really worth to mearge with since Mexico is a mess and a third world country which this NAU state would have to invest tens of billions into to get its standards of living up or face tens of millions of Mexican choosing to migrate north and causing further chaos and a decrease in the living standards of the US.

[Col. Tartleton]

Though nice in theory only Canada is really worth to mearge with since Mexico is a mess and a third world country which this NAU state would have to invest tens of billions into to get its standards of living up or face tens of millions of Mexican choosing to migrate north and causing further chaos and a decrease in the living standards of the US.

Mexico is a developing country. It's got corruption problems. It's not terribly poor. They're growing. Plus it's a beautiful country.

They're coming in anyway. We may as well let them and do it in an orderly legal fashion. Their Per capita is half that of the US. That's not terrible. It's relatively the same ratio as the Northeast to the Deep South's wealth disparity.

[6644kp]

Mexico is a developing country. It's got corruption problems. It's not terribly poor. They're growing. Plus it's a beautiful country.

They're coming in anyway. We may as well let them and do it in an orderly legal fashion. Their Per capita is half that of the US. That's not terrible. It's relatively the same ratio as the Northeast to the Deep South's wealth disparity.

Ok then but its your funeral.

[Thorn777]

Depends who you are. If you own stocks in some agri-business then thats fantastic. If you used to be a forklift driver for some former predominantly English speaking warehouse then it sucks. It also sucks for the small Mexican farmer who cant compete with undercutting American comeptition, but then again its great for Mexican drug pin-kings picking up on all the misery.

So yeah, its entirely subjective.

[Mr. Scott]

As far as I can tell. The OP is merely poking fun of the fact that many on this forum insist on referring to the EU as a single entity, when the US, Canada, and Mexico have more in common.

Anyway: Canada + US? Sure, it could work very easily. The only real issue would be that of pride. Our economies and militaries are essentially the same.

Canada + US + MEXICO??? Nope. Wouldn't work. Waaaay to different culturally and economically. It'd be like trying to merge Australia and Indonesia.

[SLN445]

As far as I can tell. The OP is merely poking fun of the fact that many on this forum insist on referring to the EU as a single entity, when the US, Canada, and Mexico have more in common.

Anyway: Canada + US? Sure, it could work very easily. The only real issue would be that of pride. Our economies and militaries are essentially the same.

Canada + US + MEXICO??? Nope. Wouldn't work. Waaaay to different culturally and economically. It'd be like trying to merge Australia and Indonesia.

Aslong as we were in control i wouldnt mind an Australia and Indonesia Union

[HissingNewt]

The only real way I could see it working is if the federal government ceded power to either an NAU government or the states. I can't see Canada wanting to be influenced heavily by the dumpster fire that is Washington DC. I'd be perfectly ok with a bit more state autonomy, though.

[Col. Tartleton]

The only real way I could see it working is if the federal government ceded power to either an NAU government or the states. I can't see Canada wanting to be influenced heavily by the dumpster fire that is Washington DC. I'd be perfectly ok with a bit more state autonomy, though.

D.C. would be rendered secondary. Thus solving the age old problem of the den of vipers and thieves that is Washington D.C. In my design each state is a distinct country with privileges and obligations to the union. Mirroring the US constitution there will be 18 powers for congress and the rest goes to the individual states. That way if Canada wants to keep their healthcare system they can at the provincial level and if Yucatan wants to conduct local business in Mayan that's their god given right.

In my system the 3 countries become the United States. 31 Mexican states, 13 Canadian states, and 50 American states. Plus Puerto Rico, Guam, Cuba, Jamaica, Haiti, and the Dominican (As if they have the ability to say no... Well, Haiti doesn't have the ability to say no, and Cuba is going to get a beat-down if it won't grow out of it's pot smoking Che shirt wearing phase.) Washington DC becomes a municipality. Probably Maryland.

Thats a nice even 100 states. Of which about 35 speak Spanish. Houston gets a big as hell capital, President's mansion, and Supreme Court built for the NAU. Plus what's great about Houston is that he fought against Canada, Mexico, and at least with words, the American Confederacy.

[molonthegreat]

In a hundred years all of North America will be greater Mexico.

[Nutsack]

Yeah except America is a nation founded on the genocide of another people... just had to mention that.

[Justice and Mercy]

Yeah except America is a nation founded on the genocide of another people... just had to mention that.

What nonsense. US policy towards the Native Americans was NEVER one of extermination. Not once.

[Rolling Thunder]

What nonsense. US policy towards the Native Americans was NEVER one of extermination. Not once.

Especially when they handed out the smallpox-ridden blankets. That was pure altruism that.

[Justice and Mercy]

Especially when they handed out the smallpox-ridden blankets. That was pure altruism that.

Ah, didn't realize we were allowed to just make things up.

[Vanoi]

Yeah except America is a nation founded on the genocide of another people... just had to mention that.

Actually America was founded by traitors. The whole Native American genocide thing is a myth.

Especially when they handed out the smallpox-ridden blankets. That was pure altruism that.

That was the British..........

[Justice and Mercy]

That was the British..........

And it wasn't a policy.
And it wasn't genocide.
And it was justifiable in every circumstance I've read of it.

[Vanoi]

And it wasn't a policy.
And it wasn't genocide.
And it was justifiable in every circumstance I've read of it.

Not really. If you read about why it was used, there was no point. It did not help the British at all in defeating them at Fort Pitt.


Though its unsure if giving them the blankets even worked in the first place considering the natives had already contracted smallpox from raiding white settlements who had been infected themselves. That and the area already had the disease.

[Justice and Mercy]

Not really. If you read about why it was used, there was no point. It did not help the British at all in defeating them at Fort Pitt.

I wasn't aware the plan was actually even carried through, but I mean justifiable morally.

[misfitsfiend138]

Yeah except America is a nation founded on the genocide of another people... just had to mention that.

Really? They were conquered get over it.


Back on topic, I say we make take Canada and call it North Montana or East Alaska.

[Condottiere 40K]

I rather doubt the Canadians would want a political union with the States, and I doubt that the States want to inherit an insurgency from the Mexicans.