Monitor question: CRT vs. LCD vs. LED

[Hrothgar Óhreinsaður]

Many people choose LCD/LED monitors, as they are light, small, and less expensive than a CRT; however, it is said CRTs are better for games and video, and their size and cost is worth it. Most LCD/LEDs have a refresh rate of 60MHz and depend on response times, where CRTs have high refresh rates and 0 response time. With these factors in mind, why would a serious gamer, film enthusiast, or game/video editor choose a LCD over a CRT? Also what are some good newer CRTs?

[Kamos]

LCD and LED don't begin to squeal at me spontaneously for starters.

[Taiji]

LCD and LED don't begin to squeal at me spontaneously for starters.

Yeah.

Anyway, I like my Benq XL1210T even though the resolution is crap compared to my old CRT (VM Pro 514), and despite it's input response being 5ms slower.

I think the main advantage high-end LCD has over high-end CRT is widescreen, which is excellent for work.

[Hrothgar Óhreinsaður]

I've always used CRTs and have never heard my monitors squeal. If I did, I'd be in the market for a new one.

[florin87]

I've always used CRTs and have never heard my monitors squeal. If I did, I'd be in the market for a new one.

try changing resolutions really fast.

[Phier]

I've always used CRTs and have never heard my monitors squeal. If I did, I'd be in the market for a new one.

My ears hear very high frequencies, I can usually tell if a monitor is on without a signal from the sound and sometimes a computer will make a whine that drives me a bit batty that no one else is able to hear (failing lightbulbs make the sound too). Perhaps you are unable to hear the frequency, I know a lot of people don't.

[mrmouth]

My ears hear very high frequencies, I can usually tell if a monitor is on without a signal from the sound and sometimes a computer will make a whine that drives me a bit batty that no one else is able to hear (failing lightbulbs make the sound too). Perhaps you are unable to hear the frequency, I know a lot of people don't.

Yeah I'm also hypersensitive. I can tell from a 2-3 rooms away. It drives me crazy. And it drives my wife crazy that I am hypersensitive. We has an old CRT in the second bedroom and I spent $350 to replace that so I didn't have to hear it for the 2-3 weeks people visit a year.

Im the same way with light (as well as other things). I like the house dark. I even take to wearing sunglasses in the house at times.

Probably a tumor...

[Kamos]

Well I have and it's damn annoying.

[Totalheadache]

i was told to avoid tn panels and went for a benq ips. spent over £300 but has lasted me 3 yrs and still looks gorgeous.

my one advice is you need to spend a bit on a good screen but it will last you...

actually a norwegian mod over at guru is very big on screens if you give me a budget i'll ask or if you want to ask him direct join guru as a member.

[Doono]

Because CRT's take up huge amounts of space which multiplies as the screen size is increased, they weigh loads, and on most modern monitors the difference in noticeable response time is almost negligeable. CRT's had their day and should be banished to hell lol.

One more thing the power draw on a CRT is totally rediculous, when you pay electricity bills stuff like this matters

[Hrothgar Óhreinsaður]

I think the main advantage high-end LCD has over high-end CRT is widescreen, which is excellent for work.

I can see your point there.

Because CRT's take up huge amounts of space which multiplies as the screen size is increased, they weigh loads, and on most modern monitors the difference in noticeable response time is almost negligeable.

Size and weight were covered in my initial post. I'd rather have 0ms response time than a negligeable one.

One more thing the power draw on a CRT is totally rediculous

The power draw is high, so I turn my monitor off when not in use.

As far as moving away from a CRT to an LCD/LED monitor, I'm still not convinced.

[Crazyeyesreaper]

well there is the fact that high resolution CRTs are hard to find most are second hand now, so getting a GOOD CRT is pretty much pure luck at this point

sorry to say the typical 1280x1024 CRTs i see floating around are pretty craptastic,

response time being 0 is nice, but its not everything as has been proven with modern PC games a slower response time actually helps even out frame rate aka less jerkiness / quirky frames.

LED offers brighter color to an extent but CCFL still seems to be a bit better in terms of overall image with top quality screens, it really comes down to what you need a screen for,

and since i dont see many 25+ inch CRTs with 2000x1000 + resolution up for sale its may be better, but better is only worth it when you can actually buy it.

[Phier]

I have the ASUS 3d vision enabled 120 hz monitor and its response times are 9ms on average (in terms of video lag) which I find acceptable, plus it has great picture quality (and can be used for 3d).

[Hrothgar Óhreinsaður]

well there is the fact that high resolution CRTs are hard to find most are second hand now, so getting a GOOD CRT is pretty much pure luck at this point

Planned obsolescence is a witch with a b. It will be a sad day when this behemoth of a monitor croaks on me.

sorry to say the typical 1280x1024 CRTs i see floating around are pretty craptastic,

A cheap monitor is a cheap monitor. I'm no fan of smaller/cheap CRTs, which cheap flatscreens outshine because they're small, light and have a wider screen, which Taiji mentioned earlier. I wasn't aware how important a power supply was until recently, but I knew the monitor needed to be top notch, since our primary sense is sight. With that in mind, I would spend more on a good monitor than any other component.

response time being 0 is nice, but its not everything as has been proven with modern PC games a slower response time actually helps even out frame rate aka less jerkiness / quirky frames.

I wasn't aware response time helped to smooth graphics.

[mrmouth]

The only possible argument you could still make for CRT is the inherent, wider color gamut with very high end CRT monitors that are still made for photography. Even in a high end studio, you will likley find an NEC CRT, as well as very expensive IPS LCD/LED. But the latter has just about completely caught up to even the higher end CRT monitors.

If you were a photographer on a budget, you'd probably plunk down $600 on a CRT, before $1000-plus on a comparable LCD/LED.

[Taiji]

response time being 0 is nice, but its not everything as has been proven with modern PC games a slower response time actually helps even out frame rate aka less jerkiness / quirky frames.

I'm talking input response, not GtG response, so nothing to do with jerkiness and everything to do with beating the opponent to the literal draw.

Bad GtG is obviously reducing jerkiness, but instead you're getting motion blur (which IMO is worse - rather a slide show than a blur, personally).

And then anti-ghosting tech counteracts that somewhat.

[Crazyeyesreaper]

I'm talking input response, not GtG response, so nothing to do with jerkiness and everything to do with beating the opponent to the literal draw.

Bad GtG is obviously reducing jerkiness, but instead you're getting motion blur (which IMO is worse - rather a slide show than a blur, personally).

And then anti-ghosting tech counteracts that somewhat.

there is a medium ground where anti ghosting isnt neccesary im not talking about 15ms GTG

usually 8-9ms offers a bit smoother frame rate, without causing blur, or ghosting,

aka this is compared to 2ms GTG monitors but GTG is also a worthless measurment,

theres many ways manufacturers measure their response times, not all use GTG or some will measure it differently and label it GTG, so alot of research into the panel and scree itself are usually required for the best effect which when compared to the simplicity of a giant CRT is a negative for the LCDs but regardless, its an interesting side note, and predominately only relates to multi- gpu systems, not so much single gpu but considering the number of times i have posted this info here in the basement i figured someone would remember it seems i was wrong.

[Bolkonsky]

Yeah, CRT frequencies drive me insane. I can't leave my laptop charging at night either, because of the noise that makes.

[irishron]

You work in the enviroment I worked in too many years, this would be lullaby music and put you to sleep.

[Taiji]

I have a similar sensitivity. I don't want a 60hz crt anywhere in my vision because the flicker is so annoying - if I don't look at it directly then it's something like a strobe light. But the really weird thing is that if I look at it directly when local sound hits a similar frequency then the image flickers and dances about. So I can hum and make the image dance... Yeah, I know, seems nuts, but it doesn't happen at all at 85hz.