Impossible to win with Gondor!

[Artorius798]

It's like atleast the fourth or fifth campaign I try with Gondor and I even started cheating this time to get more money and to increase some towns populations to upgrades them (Osgiliath) and still, I am being overwhelmed by Harad and Mordor, not to mention when they send 3-4 armies of evil mens to siege Minas Tirith... It's insane!

Difficulty level needs to be lowered! And I know how to play total war games, I'm not a newbie, I also like a challenge but this is just ridiculous.

In the beginning it's not too bad but when the ennemy start using special units like Trolls, it takes half an army to kill these things, then you win this battle but then another army attack you straight away, then maybe you win again, then you get 1 turn of peace (but it takes you 5-10 turns to recruit reinforcement) and then the turn after another army attack you, and another, and another!

It's like those orcs are popping out of nowhere just to destroy the world of mens! Dark Magic I say!

LOWER DIFFICULTY!

I suggest to lower recruitment time for good factions and to get rid of some AI cheats like super spam and maybe also weaken a little special units like Trolls, make em more expansive, smaller units or just weaker in general, I don't know but lower the difficulty of this mod please!

I understand the idea of being overwhelmed by evil forces but when the good guys are few and evil is many, arn't the good guys usually a lot stronger? I mean, 1 unit of gondor militia should be able to destroy 2-3 units of basic mordor infantry for example, 1 unit of gondor swordmen should be able to destroy 4-5 units of mordor infantry...

Thanks

[jinjo]

actually it's possible

[Artorius798]

Lies.

[Mhaedros]

I say to you: LOWER DIFFICULTY! You don't have to play vh/vh, play m/m if that's what you want

[Artorius798]

I play medium/easy... loll I was too ashame to say in the opening post. Indeed, I win most battles in easy but still, the sheer amound of troops they send my way, it's madness!

From the south, I got Harad that have about 2000 troops at the land bridge (blocked by one of my army of about 800, thankfully Harad rarely attack them), then I have the occasionnal Corsair invasions sending an army to ninja siege a coastal town and there's Mordor to the east of course that constantly siege Osgiliath and Cair Andros, one siege after another non-stop so I cannot reinforce my troops and now I got a evil men crusade on Minas Tirith, I've defeated 2 armies at once consisting of about 1500 troops (misty mountains and gundabad I think) but right after another army of Harad siege it and meanwhile I lost Osgiliath and Cair andros cause I couldn't reinforce it.

Do you get it? Cair Andros, Osgiliath, Minas Tirith are all sieged + coastal towns to defend and the land bridge to stop the Harad zerg from invading the kingdom...

MADNESS!

[Dutch-Balrog]

On hard i've managed to win a gondor campaign once. On vh its too hard for me too. And they siege you like this because you let them siege you, i think that you might have too many openings in your defense lines. And what do you do with your navy against the corsair ships?

[Artorius798]

I destroy it but most make it to my coast undetected. I was about to send an army on Umbar but with this crusade and the lost of Osgiliath/Cair Andros it will take a while to recover, if I ever do.

Oh and I bought (25000g) Rohan to assist me against Mordor but it pretty much looks like they took the money and won't ever attack Mordor...

[jinjo]

I destroy it but most make it to my coast undetected. I was about to send an army on Umbar but with this crusade and the lost of Osgiliath/Cair Andros it will take a while to recover, if I ever do.

Oh and I bought (25000g) Rohan to assist me against Mordor but it pretty much looks like they took the money and won't ever attack Mordor...

omg dont waste money in this stupid diplomacy
just play your game

[Lazy]

Gondor is "quite easy" if you know how...

Try defending W. Osgiliath first!

That´s really easy as the enemy has to cross the water!
Have some archers!
Put 1 or max 2 units at the shore and let it fight until they get tired! Only 1-2! Not all of them!
The enemy has to fight this unit while beeing on lower ground in the water... you will rock as long your unit is "warmed up" and stuff...
When they loose too many soldiers or get tired send another single unit!

The south is a bit tricky... at the beginning you have a big front... rally your generals ( only the cavalry ) and attack Harad!
Replenishment is for free and happens at turns end!
With that army you will win ALL open field battles! ( there are no Mumakils at the beginning )
Siege enemy settlements and let the enemy sally out... sally out by yourself when the enemy besieges your towns!

If you do that your only problem will be the Corsair invasions... a small rush with that cavalry army is able to change that fast!
Use one of your cav generals ( someone who is not part of the family and never will become heir/leader ) to sack Harad settlements!
Destroy all the buildings inside and leave the town alone!

It is not really "easy" but at least it is not hard!
At vh/vh it worked for me...
The only cheat I have done wsa to edit the pop requirements for rebuilding both Osgiliaths... but that doesn´t help you defending the western part!

[Artorius798]

Yeah, defending W. Osgiliath is great, with 2-3 units of archers they kill almost all incoming forces before they reach the wall (you know the wall when you cross the water near the large bridge) but I want E.Osgiliath too to rebuild the city!

[LordXarax]

Yeah, defending W. Osgiliath is great, with 2-3 units of archers they kill almost all incoming forces before they reach the wall (you know the wall when you cross the water near the large bridge) but I want E.Osgiliath too to rebuild the city!

Dude all the time I defend with 3 units of spears/long spears at the main gate in that formation,3 units of archers using fire and with 1 general (horse bodyguards)
Before you press start battle put you're spears close to the gate,and get out from the city with the general and don't let the enemy units to use ladders or siege tower, just let them to come at the main gate with the ram (where you have that spears in formation) The enemy will come on the spears and they will can't push the main gate from you're spears(Don't forgot to use B key at the spears (for defending formation and to don't charge when the enemy will broke the door), and then they will die burned by the oil gates too.
Ohh and if the general is routing after you try to harras with charge/retreat the other rams/siege towers, you are lost.
I play last 2 years TATW found the mod on an paper magazine, at that moment each time I capture fast that Green Mordor Citadel , and each time I siege with only 3 Gondor Infantry and in the back the other army, because at that moment I think was the first version of TATW was like if they had few troups and u siege with many after you press end turn they would get auto-defence army.
I'm downloading first time this version 3.1 and I can see is huge 3.6Gb,I hope it's worth it.

[Lord_of_Nazgul]

Dude all the time I defend with 3 units of spears/long spears at the main gate in that formation,3 units of archers using fire and with 1 general (horse bodyguards)
Before you press start battle put you're spears close to the gate,and get out from the city with the general and don't let the enemy units to use ladders or siege tower, just let them to come at the main gate with the ram (where you have that spears in formation) The enemy will come on the spears and they will can't push the main gate from you're spears(Don't forgot to use B key at the spears (for defending formation and to don't charge when the enemy will broke the door), and then they will die burned by the oil gates too.
Ohh and if the general is routing after you try to harras with charge/retreat the other rams/siege towers, you are lost.
I play last 2 years TATW found the mod on an paper magazine, at that moment each time I capture fast that Green Mordor Citadel , and each time I siege with only 3 Gondor Infantry and in the back the other army, because at that moment I think was the first version of TATW was like if they had few troups and u siege with many after you press end turn they would get auto-defence army.
I'm downloading first time this version 3.1 and I can see is huge 3.6Gb,I hope it's worth it.

oh yeah it's worth it! ...and that Green Mordor Citadel is Minas Morgul...3.1 is great because you can finally fight with real cities like Minas Tirith, Helm's Deep etc. And there is some new features ...you can unify Kingdom of Arnor, and so many things

[paradamed]

I'm downloading first time this version 3.1 and I can see is huge 3.6Gb,I hope it's worth it.

It is totally worth it.
Check this and tell me what you think:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Lazy]

Forget the rebuilding ( without work arounds / cheats )!
It will take like thousends of turns ( little exaggeration here ) until you make it!
You would have to go on playing after you have "won" the game!

That´s why I use this one:
How to rebuild Osgiliath from the beginning!

[Wizad]

It will take like thousends of turns ( little exaggeration here ) until you make it!

To calculate the amount of turns needed to reach the desired population, put this in excel on cel D1:
=LOG(A1/B1)/LOG(1+C1/100)
On A1, post your desired population. On B1, post your current population. On C1, post your growth.


For instance:

A1 = 20000
B1 = 2000
C1 = 5
The amount of turns necessary is 48.

[Dr.Phibes]

osgiliath is pretty quick to upgrade when its not harassed every other turn just make sure you dont let your generals get the damn mean with money and cheap traits

[Dr.Phibes]

dammit still no edit, you need to strike harad early with cav generals or its a downward slide mordor's pretty easy to back just get ballistas and catapults in eeas osgiliath also pelagrir raiding parties against all the far south settlements and island work very nicely..

[Dealhit]

To win with Gondor is pretty simple,
Hold Mordor at Osgiliath
and invade Harad, keep them off you.

[Artorius798]

Yeah the rebuild Osgiliath requirement is ridiculous, there should be a window that pop up offering you to rebuild it within let say 10 turns after you have been holding both part of the city for 5 turns (it would cost like 10 000g). It could not happen before you've reached turn 50 atleast though.

[anduril38]

Maybe you should just learn to get better.....

If you're still getting overwhelmed at M/E, you're doing something wrong.