ABC Williams stepping down (off?)

[Monarchist]

Dearly beloved,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...anterbury.html

Dr John Sentamu has been installed by bookies as their favourite in the wake of the Archbishop of Canterbury announcing that he will step down by the end of the year.

David Cameron, the Prime Minister, will name Dr Williams' successor after being given a "preferred name" by the Church's appointments commission, which is made up of three clergy and three members of the laity. It is chaired by a civil servant.

Dr Sentamu is on the commission and will have to step down if he intends to be considered to be Archbishop of Canterbury.

He would be the first black leader of the Church of England and as primate would inherit an Anglican communion badly split over how to deal with homosexuality and whether women can become bishops.

Dr Williams himself conceded that his own attempt to prevent schism in the Church over the issues was likely to fail.

So many issues facing the CoE! Interesting that the reverend doctor is going to call it quits only after the General Synod in July decides on whether women will be 'consecrated' bishops. He came in just as the Episcopalians in America were installing the homosexual Robison as a bishop, and is leaving perhaps just as the episcopal church of England installs Jane Doe as bishop!

Secularisation, homosexualisation, socialisation, feminisation, and a thousand other things have come to and out of the Church since he took over for George Carey in 2003. Dr. John Sentamu is conservative compared to Dr. Williams so if he is chosen to succeed, it'll be an odd contrast, since most Western people see white men as the conservative leaders of society, and dark-skinned men as the underclass. Next thing you know there will be a black Pope in Rome!

Is England, the only remaining realm with a firmly established Church, going more away from its own episcopacy, or coming back? What of the gays, women, minorities, and such? Even if religion seems a trifle to you, it can be the custard of many peoples' lives. Think of what the immediate future signifies...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...ion-works.html

Reflecting on the conflict between Christianity and secularisation in Britain, Dr Rowan Williams said he not believe the Church was losing the debate, but faced a "lot of ignorance and rather dim-witted prejudice

Oh, Mr. Dawkins...

[nein]

homosexuals should leave the church alone, period. If they don't want to recognise gay marriage or marry them inside a church that is THEIR business. There are many ways to get married, you don't need the churches blessing. The marriage bond was created to force men and women together, people seem to forget this and romanticize about it...

Also a black guy as head of CoE sounds like more multiculturism pandering We sure don't get enough of that

[Monarchist]

a black guy as head of CoE sounds like more multiculturism pandering We sure don't get enough of that

Ironically the reverend doctor Sentamu is a huge enemy of multiculturalism.

Can we finally remove the Queen as head of the church now? I'm still uncomfortable about living in a theocracy (technically).

Yes, I'm somewhat against established state churches because the state inevitably corrupts it with poor values, money-grubbing, ambition, and power. The problem with Theocracy isn't the Theos, but the kratos!

EDIT:

No, you have that opinion. Don't push such racism onto the rest of us.

The fact that there are "minorities counselors" for heads of state since the 1990s is a clear indication that the white male is still seen as the leader, and that white males feel the need to be 'informed' about other races (note: I did not say the white man is or should be the leader). This is not racism, but a statement of fact. The 'underclass' (drug-runners, thieves, and such) are predominantly seen to be darker people by stereotype. Simply because a man states a thing does not mean he believes it. Calm down!

[Squiggle]

homosexuals should leave the church alone, period. If they don't want to recognise gay marriage or marry them inside a church that is THEIR business. There are many ways to get married, you don't need the churches blessing. The marriage bond was created to force men and women together, people seem to forget this and romanticize about it...

Also a black guy as head of CoE sounds like more multiculturism pandering We sure don't get enough of that

This is hardly an example of affirmative action or something along those lines. This would be actually an incredibly good decision for Anglicanism.

The Church of England was created to satisfy a syphilitic madman's desire to screw and kill every available woman in the realm. How in 's name could anyone, anywhere, ever take it seriously?

Because its creation has little to nothing to do with its theology or institution?

[Denny Crane!]

The only thing a new leader can vainly try to do is manage the inevitable schism while maintaining the broader unity of the organisation.

Caused of course by the marginalisation of traditional christian values in favour of normal acceptable societal values, further proof of the inevitable subjectivity of religion and the friction it causes internally and often externally when it doesnt hold sway over peoples moral values.

[Dr Zoidberg]

... it'll be an odd contrast, since most Western people see white men as the conservative leaders of society, and dark-skinned men as the underclass. Next thing you know there will be a black Pope in Rome! ...

That's an incredibly racist blanket statement to make. Speak for yourself, not others.

[Their Law]

Can we finally remove the Queen as head of the church now? I'm still uncomfortable about living in a theocracy (technically).

EDIT:

Dr. John Sentamu is conservative compared to Dr. Williams so if he is chosen to succeed, it'll be an odd contrast, since most Western people see white men as the conservative leaders of society, and dark-skinned men as the underclass. Next thing you know there will be a black Pope in Rome!

No, you have that opinion. Don't push such racism onto the rest of us.

[DimeBagHo]

Can we finally remove the Queen as head of the church now? I'm still uncomfortable about living in a theocracy (technically).

When non-religious authorities, like the Monarch or Parliament, control a state religion that is (technically) the opposite of a theocracy.

As a point of comparison, the US President is officially the Commander in Chief of the US military, but this fact is usually understood to be an aspect of civilian control of the military, not evidence that the US is a military regime. Likewise, when the English Monarch became Supreme Governor of the Church of England it represented the subordination of religious authorities to temporal authorities, not the other way around.

*edit* Not that I disagree with the idea of removing the Monarch from the religious hierarchy. I just think it is an issue of freeing the CoE from control by civil authorities, rather than an issue of abolishing theocracy.

[Babur]

Can we finally remove the Queen as head of the church now? I'm still uncomfortable about living in a theocracy (technically).

not all theocracies have monarchs though

[The Despondent Mind]

Can we finally remove the Queen as head of the church now? I'm still uncomfortable about living in a theocracy (technically).

EDIT:

No, you have that opinion. Don't push such racism onto the rest of us.

[Their Law]

All right I admit it, it was hyperbolic to refer to it as a theocracy.

So more to my point, I dislike the idea that Parliament's authority is derived from the Monarch, which is in turn derived from a God, rather than say an actual entity such as a constitution or the people. De facto that's pretty much the case as no government would last a week claiming it was accountable to the Great Spaghetti Monster in the sky. But still I would like the de jure status brought in line with reality.

The fact that there are "minorities counselors" for heads of state since the 1990s is a clear indication that the white male is still seen as the leader, and that white males feel the need to be 'informed' about other races (note: I did not say the white man is or should be the leader). This is not racism, but a statement of fact. The 'underclass' (drug-runners, thieves, and such) are predominantly seen to be darker people by stereotype. Simply because a man states a thing does not mean he believes it. Calm down!

Once again conflating you're perception and the perception of society. You don't speak for anyone but yourself.

[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

The Church of England was created to satisfy a syphilitic madman's desire to screw and kill every available woman in the realm. How in 's name could anyone, anywhere, ever take it seriously?

[Gromovnik]

I'm glad that my Church is not so "progressive". Have a nice day.

[Denny Crane!]

I'm glad that my Church is not so "progressive". Have a nice day.

Still into stoning and whatnot typical abrahamic, as bad as those muslamics and their ray guns.