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    considering the latter have announced their clear desires to pre-emptively attack Iran?
    Iran's legal right to attack Israel
    By Kaveh L Afrasiabi

    PALO ALTO, California - After years of living in the shadow of an Israeli military strike, Iran is now openly contemplating the idea of pre-emptive strike, in light of Israel's preparedness for imminent attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. Citing a right to anticipatory self-defense, the Iranian argument is that instead of waiting for its Zionist adversary to make a move, Iran should take the offensive and cripple Israel's ability to deliver on its threatened assault.

    Iran's plan to initiate a pre-emptive strike on Israel is perfectly legal under customary international law, according to several Tehran political analysts specializing on Iran's foreign affairs. "Under the UN Charter, Iran has the inherent right of self-defense that in this case translates into the right to respond to the clear and present danger of imminent attack by the state of Israel in clear violation of international law," says a Tehran University political scientist who spoke to the author on the condition of anonymity.

    In a nutshell, Tehran's legal argument in defense of a pre-emptive strike on Israel centers on several inter-related elements.

    First, under Article 51 of the UN Charter, Iran has the right to strike Israel because Israel has already engaged in overt hostile acts including the assassination of Iran's nuclear scientists, sabotage, and life-threatening cyber-warfare, not to mention Israeli political and military leaders' open declarations of intent to attack Iran in the immediate future.

    Second, these illegal acts combined with the declarations of intent constitute an imminent national security threat to Iran, defined under customary international law in terms of "outward hostile acts" of one state against another.

    Third, Iran has already exhausted all the diplomatic means for deterring an Israeli strike, such as by repeatedly complaining to the UN Security Council, to no avail as the Security Council has turned a blind eye.

    Fourth, Israel's stated intention to attack Iran violates international law for a number of other reasons:
    Iran has never threatened to use its nuclear capability to attack Israel.
    There is a legal bar against any attack on Iran's civilian nuclear facilities, in light of the Resolution 533 of International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which prohibits any such attack and deems it a violation of international law.
    Iran is a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), its leadership has formally renounced nuclear weapons, there is an absence of any treaty constraint barring Iran's possession of a nuclear fuel cycle, and to this date after extensive inspection of Iran's nuclear facilities, the IAEA has never detected any diversion of nuclear material to military purposes.
    Evidence, including reports in Washington Post citing the opinion of US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, suggests Israel is well beyond the "preparatory stages" of an attack on Iran and is gearing up to implement this plan within the next several months.

    Taken together, these arguments make a potent legal case for Iran's anticipatory strike on Israel, irrespective of whether or not Iran moves forward with it or has the actual capability for a successful pre-emptory attack to disable its ardent enemy. According to Iranian media reports, Iran has some 11,000 missiles able to hit targets throughout Israel. The issue of military capability aside, within Iran's legal discourse, the unlawfulness of Israel's hostile intention and the lawfulness of Iran's right to attack Israel first are basically two sides of the same coin. Even the UN sanctions on Iran, let alone US and or Israeli war on Iran, should be viewed as illegal under international law.

    According to the International Law Commission's Draft Articles, an intentionally wrongful act of a state comprises two elements (Article 3): the objective element consisting in an action or omission contrary to an international obligation, and the subjective element having to do with intentions of a state. Neither element can be found with respect to Iran's nuclear program.

    The absence of any evidence of diversion of nuclear material to military activities, based on extensive inspection of Iran's facilities by the IAEA, together with explicit renunciation of nuclear weapons on political and moral and religious grounds by Iran's leadership, constitute a bar to the application of both sanctions as well as threats of war on Iran. [1] This is a reminder to a number of international observers who have hailed United States President Barack Obama's recent criticisms of "irresponsible drumbeats of war on Iran," overlooking that Obama's explicit threat of keeping the "military option" constitutes a violation of UN Charter, that forbids such threats by UN member states.

    The fact is that Obama, a former professor of constitutional law, continues to get it wrong on Iran by insisting that once all diplomatic channels are exhausted, then the US may resort to the final option of attacking Iran's nuclear facilities. As a number of sane US pundits, such as Yale law professor Bruce Ackerman, in his recent opinion piece in Los Angeles Times, have rightly pointed out, any such strike would be illegal from the prism of international law.

    To add to Ackerman's argument, pro-Israel pundits legitimizing an Israeli attack on Iran have willfully distorted the meaning and purview of the right to self-defense, by advancing a dubious understanding that harks back to the George W Bush administration's ill-fated attempt to extend the definition of "anticipatory self-defense," which was thankfully defeated at the UN. [2]

    A historical deja vu, the present pro-Israel discourses on attacking Iran, are strikingly similar to the ones heard prior to US's "proxy war" on Iraq nine years ago, which was fully rationalized by the whole army of Israel propagandists swarming the Western media. The big question is whether or not the international community has learned any lesson from the Iraq fiasco and, more important, whether voices of reasons can prevail over voices that thirst for another calamitous conflict in the Middle East? By all indications, the next several months will hold the answer to this critical question.

    Notes:
    1. Security Council and Iran's Legal Rights, A Rejoinder.
    2. UN Management Reform (2012).

    Kaveh L Afrasiabi, PhD, is the author of After Khomeini: New Directions in Iran's Foreign Policy (Westview Press) . For his Wikipedia entry, click here. He is author of Reading In Iran Foreign Policy After September 11 (BookSurge Publishing , October 23, 2008) and Looking for Rights at Harvard. His latest book is UN Management Reform: Selected Articles and Interviews on United Nations CreateSpace (November 12, 2011).
    Source: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NC14Ak01.html
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    Iran has more chutzpah than Israel. Hell, go for it.
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    Iran's plan to initiate a pre-emptive strike on Israel is perfectly legal under customary international law, according to several Tehran political analysts specializing on Iran's foreign affairs.
    That tells me everything I need to know about the rest of the argument right there. "A bunch of Iranians who specialise in Iran's foreign affairs say its perfectly legal for Iran to attack another country". Well of course they'd say that.

    When some non-Iranian international legal experts say they've got a case, then we might have a discussion. Because as it stands, what we've got here is the geo-political equivalent of "I'm going to punch you in the face because I'm awesome and I say I can".

    Oh, and there is still no evidence that Israel or the WestTM were involved in the deaths of those Iranian scientists, except for un-substantiated claims by the Iranians themselves.
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    Regardless, the point here is that everyone knows that Israel has this on the table. That being the case, why doesn't Iran based on that information alone, and given that Israel in the past has attacked sites in Iraq, couldn't they pre-emptively launch a strike.

    So wait, I know you are going to punch me, but I'm not going to do anything until you punch first. Ridiculous.

    Besides, the West and Israel have nukes, who the he** are they to say who can or cannot have nukes. Don't think the Mullah's have remained in power by having a death wish. To me it's ridiculous, especially when all the weak kneed sissies didn't so much as stir or move a limb to stop North Korea. Double standards all over.

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    They (Iran) have not, nor has Israel.

    While the latter government (Israel) is openly announcing the wish for a pre-emptive attack for a while now, and in this case, i would say in the sense of moronic "war-mongering leaders" on both sides, Iran has the same right to announce that (including making a list of arguments).

    If it comes to war between them (and all signs are on green), one can only hope, that this war spreads not to any other country, and thus involves them actively ... it can lead to a mega desaster.
    And i personally say, the one who attacks at first, must be banned from the international community, and the responsible leader/s must be taken to international court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaVinci View Post
    They (Iran) have not, nor has Israel.

    While the latter government (Israel) is openly announcing the wish for a pre-emptive attack for a while now, and in this case, i would say in the sense of moronic "war-mongering leaders" on both sides, Iran has the same right to announce that (including making a list of arguments).

    If it comes to war between them (and all signs are on green), one can only hope, that this war spreads not to any other country, and thus involves them actively ... it can lead to a mega desaster.
    And i personally say, the one who attacks at first, must be banned from the international community, and the responsible leader/s must be taken to international court.
    You do realize this "International Community" is primarily made up of tyrants and appeasers... Their primary objective is to blame shift Israel (which while less than perfect is by far the nicest country in the region) and appease the terrorists. UN Troops have the primary mission of not getting killed while firmly saying "Heeeyyy... stop. Stop. Please?" when drugged out child soldiers start gunning down civilians...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    You do realize this "International Community" is primarily made up of tyrants and appeasers... Their primary objective is to blame shift Israel (which while less than perfect is by far the nicest country in the region) and appease the terrorists. UN Troops have the primary mission of not getting killed while firmly saying "Heeeyyy... stop. Stop. Please?" when drugged out child soldiers start gunning down civilians...
    Yeah just those other 197 nations.

    Good thing USA, Israel and Micronesia are "nicer".
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    UN Troops have the primary mission of not getting killed while firmly saying "Heeeyyy... stop. Stop. Please?" when drugged out child soldiers start gunning down civilians...
    Do you have a source on that?

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    The answer is a qualified yes. Iran probably has sufficient reason to think that Israel is going to attack them. I say "probably" because in the Just War Theory literature the issue of what constitutes sufficient evidence of an impending attack is quite contentious. But, assuming Iran does have sufficient evidence of an impending attack, Iran is entitled to strike first to prevent that attack.

    However, that does not mean Iran can take whatever military action it likes. It can't for example, carry out random terrorist attacks against Israeli targets. The problem here is that such actions would not be an effective method of preventing the expected attack. It also can't carry out a massive nuclear strike. The problem here is that the effects of such a strike would be massively out of proportion to the military effect. What it could reasonably do is carry out more limited strikes against the military assets that are likely to be employed in any attack by Israel. For example, attacking Israeli aircraft on the ground would be fine.

    Of course, it is worth adding that Iran probably lacks the ability to carry out the type of preemptive strike that it is legally entitled to carry out.
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    Iran is going to pre-emptively strike at Israel with what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Red Knight View Post
    Iran is going to pre-emptively strike at Iran with what?
    Well, that is the question, isn't it? And to what purpose would they strike Israel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Red Knight View Post
    Iran is going to pre-emptively strike at Iran with what?
    Missiles, Bombs, Tanks, Legions of Zealots, Crack Soldiers, Suicide Bombers from Lebanon and Gaza, Syrian puppet troops, maybe even Egyptian forces.
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    If the Iranians do it, it would be pointless without destroying all or most of Israel's war machine, or the parts it would use to retaliate. I think most of the world would be comfortable with a Pearl Harbour type strike (on multiple military targets), but that's unlikely to be able to be carried off, since satellite surveillance (as well as agents on the ground) would tip off both the US and Israel that missile units and aircraft were being positioned in staging areas, and even assuming the Iranian Air Force somehow manages to get to Israel, they would have a reception committee waiting.

    That leaves a massive missile barrage, which might be enough for civilian infrastructure, but won't touch the vitals of the Israeli military, so handing Israeli politicians the victim card and making them proof against any future international criticism for almost any of their actions and policies for the next decade or two.

    The Iranian army/Revolutionary Guard, if it could transport itself without interference to the borders of Israel, might actually have a chance to succeed in limited objectives, before massive American intervention takes place.

    This would only be successful as part of a coordinated effort by Israel's neighbours to overwhelm their defenses, capture strategically vital areas quickly, and hold the Israeli population hostage as they extort a ceasefire on their terms before outside military intervention is possible.
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    I don't think Iran has the moral right to exist, never mind attack anyone.

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    So I guess this thread takes it as a given that Israel would also have the moral and legal right to pre-emptively attack the Iranians once their/US intelligence picked up on the Iranian mobilizations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    I don't think Iran has the moral right to exist, never mind attack anyone.
    I would include Israel also.
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    It's better having the political and diplomatic capital to ignore world opinion as to how to employ military capability, since 80% of the world will condemn Israel in any case.
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    I don't see how legality and morality have any place in war.

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    I global politics there is not legal or moral justification of any move.
    If Moral reasons would ever exist there were NO wars ever.
    So we have a situation.
    We have two blocks that fight for middle east domination (actually 4 blocks including Saudi Arabia and Turkey) ,Israel and Iran.
    Israel already has nuclear weapons and make a possible attack against it a possible suiside.
    That is the reason of developing nuclear weapons in almost all cases.
    The owner simply states that a possible attack against it will cause a disaster to the whole planet.
    So we have a state that already has nuclear weapons and a state that wants nuclear weapons to ensure that no future attack against it will take place.
    Hmmm...strange...Brazil and South Africa has taken the UN permision to use nuclear power for "peace" cuase but Iran has not with the excuse that Iran will be a near future enemy.
    Tell me jentelmen..lets supose that you are citizens of the X country that other countries state that will attack you. Would you suport your goverment to enusre that no attack will happen if your country develops nuclear weapons?
    From the other side..Israel knows that a nuclear armed Iran that an attack against it will be imposible ,will continue to suport Israel's enemies without a possible "punishment".
    Where is the morality in boths sides when human lives are instake?
    What is legal and moral was not,is not and wont be clear and stable.
    The rules are always made from the winners side.
    The "right of defending your country", the "right of indipentance", the "right of freeing you country" and what "terrorism" means are terms and issues that no one agrees with the rest of the people on this planet.
    Some examples:
    US people were "terrorists" against the legal British goverment of the american colonies. Those "terrorists" now accuse other people that fight for the freedom of their countries as "terrorists"!!!
    Israel was the huge victim of humanity with no "land" for its nation for centuries. Not it is Israel that refuses that right to Peleastinians.
    Iran stated after the Islamic revolution that it will force the world to follow the islamic dogma of its own ,"refusing" to aknowlege the right of people to believe what they want.
    Before Iran there were two similar blocks that wanted the same world domination though...The Cold War opponets!
    No one asks people what they want to do with their lives...Powerfull just use their powers...
    There is no legitimation or morality in these matters...trying to find those in global afairs is simply waist of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    considering the latter have announced their clear desires to pre-emptively attack Iran?

    Source: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NC14Ak01.html
    and should the US stand aside and let it happen as they allowed their ally Mubarak to go down?
    At least from the Israeli perspective they do have the right. No pro-Israel say no to this but still defend the Six Day War.
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