The Second Iberian Wars OOC thread

[Pontifex Maximus]

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Second Iberian Wars


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Roman - Brew
Lusitani - N/a
Cantabri - N/a
Celt-Iberi - N/a

[Magicman2051]

Knew I forgot something, if people want to they can ask to do RP the Lusitani here and I'll hook you up with the information you need via PM.

[Dark Storm]

I'll rp the Lusitani

[Magicman2051]

Hijacked the OP.

Looking for someone to RP/Command the Cantabri, I'll wait a day then start "autoresolving" any battles.

[Lord Damien]

I would but I do not know how to make battle maps or make orders

[Magicman2051]

I can walk you through that, the Cantabri might be a good test for you anyway.

[Lord Damien]

I can walk you through that, the Cantabri might be a good test for you anyway.

Alright thanks I would like it if you help me though making battle maps and sending orders .

[Rhapture]

I will RP the Celts if no one else has spoken

[Pontifex Maximus]

For RP purposes it would be advisable to read the diplomacy thread.

[Pontifex Maximus]

An attrition roll...really? Just how many of those am I going to have to deal with? Additionally, I'm not sure its fair to make any distinctions between the Roman cavalry, considering it cost all the same.

[Magicman2051]

You're launching a campaign into a mountainous region in winter

As it stands they were all Light, I don't mind switching that back.

[Pontifex Maximus]

What determines winter, and what determines whether or not cavalry is considered light? There's no such designation that has been used in any of our wars yet, so both these factors seem arbitrary. If there is no way for me to have known about these circumstances (which aren't in the rules) then I have no fair way of responding to them. Obviously if you told me it was the dead of winter I wouldn't have launched an invasion into territory with little to no good foraging. As for the cavalry I just don't see how you can arbitrarily down grade Roman cavalry. It doesn't help that the Senate is just looking for an excuse to obstruct everything.

At least give me the facts beforehand so I can work out a response, instead of just announcing something for the first time and penalizing me automatically. I'm not opposed to adding elements of realism at all, but let me know about it, just don't do it randomly.

[Magicman2051]

As far as winter, based on when the last turn started. I don't mind doing away with the attrition roll altogether, it just seemed appropriate at the time, and winter wasn't the only thing doing damage. The rolls done incorporated the idea that Roman troops were marching into unfriendly territory, everything from random missile attacks to getting variously injured while climbing/trail breaking. You're right however, I've lessened its effects considerably.

The "Heavy" or "Light" designation has always existed, it merely hasn't been applied to Romans with any regularity. In so far as it goes the Romans would have only had Light cavalry during this period, the distinction is being made through using (once again) three random rolls to determine the ratio of "Light-Heavy" but again, this can be easily reversed to just "Light".

[Pontifex Maximus]

I can live with that

[Magicman2051]

Effects lessened and the decision to reassign from Auditrix accounted for. Do you want the Cavalry all counted as Light?

As soon as you respond the first "battle" will be posted. As it stands it amounts to a small skirmish and this decision wouldn't affect it, I'd just rather have an answer prior to proceeding.

[Pontifex Maximus]

The cavalry thing can stay, but we should probably start keeping track of where recruitment of the cavalry is done so we can better differentiate. Let's battle

[Rhapture]

Wow Cantabri got screwed on cavalry numbers.

Also, wondering what advantages light and heavy infantry have?

[Pontifex Maximus]

Wow Cantabri got screwed on cavalry numbers.

Good. It was annoying last time to be completely overwhelmed by cavalry. Though they still have enough arrows to block out the god damned sun. I will have to change that in the next battle.

[Magicman2051]

Depending on how they're using. I should, and will, formalise them but for instance Light Infantry won't tire as much going on a long flanking manoeuvre or regularly falling back to new positions as Heavy Infantry would, whereas Heavy would be able to take more significant shocks/charges, and return those shocks, than Light. This is shown, at least by me, as a simple +/- in their rolls on a d20, generally speaking Roman legions are counted as a mix of the two.

That said the primary deciding factor, for me anyway, is if they're commanded properly. Played to their strengths and not pointlessly wasted or ignored, that'll be far more decisive but it is much more subjective.

[Rhapture]

Depending on how they're using. I should, and will, formalise them but for instance Light Infantry won't tire as much going on a long flanking manoeuvre or regularly falling back to new positions as Heavy Infantry would, whereas Heavy would be able to take more significant shocks/charges, and return those shocks, than Light. This is shown, at least by me, as a simple +/- in their rolls on a d20, generally speaking Roman legions are counted as a mix of the two.

That said the primary deciding factor, for me anyway, is if they're commanded properly. Played to their strengths and not pointlessly wasted or ignored, that'll be far more decisive but it is much more subjective.

Thank you, thats basically what I thought, but the part of comparing them to the legions is the most helpful

Good. It was annoying last time to be completely overwhelmed by cavalry. Though they still have enough arrows to block out the god damned sun. I will have to change that in the next battle.

Just means you get to fight in the shade