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    It was really hard to find any sort of news about the protests against this bill anywhere on the major cable news networks: CNN, MSNBC, Al Jazeera english etc and what little there was, seemed to focus more on the demonstrations themselves as opposed to the impact this bill will have on that sacred constitutional right to protest freely.
    HR 347 'Trespass Bill' Criminalizes Protest
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    As I write this op-ed, I primp for the mirror -- looking for the most flattering pose -- for my mug shot. Now, don't get the wrong impression; I haven't been arrested and charged with a federal felony -- yet. Nor is the preparation done in anticipation of a guest stint on "America's Next Top Model" -- but as a common sense reaction to Obama's predictable signing of the latest assault on the Bill of Rights -- namely -- H.R. 347 (and it's companion senate bill S. 1794); aka the "Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011." Sounding more like an appropriations bill authorizing monies for federal grounds landscaping -- this bill, better known to those in the DC beltway as the 'Trespass Bill' -- potentially makes peaceable protest anywhere in the U.S. a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

    The legislators responsible for bringing this legislative excrement to life are Representative Tom Rooney (R-Fla.) in the House of Representatives and Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-CT.) leading the Senate version.

    H. R. 347 makes protest of any type potentially a federal offense with anywhere from a year to 10 years in federal prison, providing it occurs in the presence of elites brandishing Secret Service protection, or during an officially defined 'National Special Security Event' (NSSE). NSSEs , ( an invention of Bill Clinton) are events which have been deemed worthy of Secret Service protection, which previously received no such treatment. Justified through part of 'Presidential Decision Directive 62 in 1998; Bill Clinton created an additional class of special events explicitly under the authority of the U.S. Secret Service.

    Past NSSE events included the funerals of Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan, and the national security concern that was Superbowl XXXVI. Other NSSE protected events include the Academy Awards and the 2008 Democratic and Republican National Conventions. I suppose presidential candidates, no matter how insane they may be are deserving as much security protection as Brad and Angelina's sex life. The dangerous part of this 'executive order' lies not in the triviality of a SuperBowl receiving taxpayer funded Secret Service protection -- but in the convenience manufactured for any President desperate to hide deliberations of groups like the G-8, the G-20 and the World Trade Organization. The classification of such events as NSSE -- insures the rich and powerful against any pesky accountability or transparency to the unwashed minions -- namely the US public. HR 347 & S. 1794 insulates such events as the G-8, WTO and presidential conventions against tough questions and politically justified protests.

    The House vote tally which took place 02/28/12, was 338 for and 3 against. The three dissenters were Rep.Paul Broun R-Georgia, Rep. Justin Amash R-Michigan and Rep. Keith Ellison D-Minnesota. Rep. Ron Paul was reported earlier as having voted against the bill, but that was based on the original vote conducted 02/28/11. Rep. Ron Paul ABSTAINED on the final vote.

    Rep. Amash explains:

    ... Current law makes it illegal to enter or remain in an area where certain government officials (more particularly, those with Secret Service protection) will be visiting temporarily if and only if the person knows it's illegal to enter the restricted area but does so anyway. The bill expands current law to make it a crime to enter or remain in an area where an official is visiting even if the person does not know it's illegal to be in that area and has no reason to suspect its illegal. (It expands the law by changing "willfully and knowingly" to just "knowingly" with respect to the mental state required to be charged with a crime.


    Amash is correct in noting that the omission of the word "willfully" represents an unfair burden to the citizen. In legalese, this omission creates a situation where anyone can be charged with a federal felony for 'trespassing' on grounds shared by a person or group receiving Secret Service protection (including NSSE's); EVEN IF THE 'TRESPASSER' HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF SUCH PROTECTED PERSONS BEING PRESENT. In theory, anyplace where there is a protest could also be the setting for mass felony charges against constitutionally protected behavior such as the right to protest.

    So, Amash as one of the three dissenters has no problem with criminalizing protest on the 'royal' grounds of the Congress or the White House, or even a hotel hosting a fundraiser where legislative aristocracy are protected by the Secret Service -- his objection lies with the average tourist unwittingly stumbling onto 'hallowed' ground occupied by legally anointed royalty from our government.
    This bill can be found in pdf form here.

    Rooney's defense ...

    Rooney's communication director, Michael Mahaffey dismissed any concerns about civil liberties violations caused by H.R. 347 as..."a whole lot of kerfuffle over nothing. This (HR 347) doesn't affect anyone's right to protest anywhere at any time. Ever."

    Mahaffey further added that this bill is nothing more than a benign 'DC-centric update' of Section 1752 of title 18, United States Code, designed to safeguard persons under Secret Service protection. Blandly attributing HR 347 as an extension of that protection to the DC area (where such protections fall under the scope of local trespassing ordinances) -- Mahaffey explained that "... right now it's not a federal violation to jump the fence and run across the White House lawn, this bill makes it a federal violation."
    Mahaffey further claimed that this change was requested by the Secret Service itself.

    To his credit Mahaffey did answer my inquiry with a carefully worded email, explaining further that this bill only offers consistent protection for those requiring Secret Service details such as the President, Vice-President. (Source: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...12hr347enr.pdf) Neither Rooney or Mahaffey actually answered my question regarding legal precedent, legal case citations, and associated theories. We are merely supposed to take their word for it.

    The problem with Rep. Rooney's response via Michael Mahaffey lies in the very nature of protest. Mahaffey claims that this bill does not trample the constitutionally protected right to protest -- yet the bill itself criminalizes 'disruptive conduct' in such vague terms that a 7th grader disrupting visiting dignitaries receiving Secret Service protection, over any issue -- (no matter how trivial), such as school uniforms -- would be potentially guilty of a federal felony. What Rooney, and so many government elites cynically ignore is the very nature of protest. Protest in its very nature, is intended to disrupt government business as usual, for without such disruption the protest would be as effective as a leaky condom.

    Both Amash and Rooney refuse to recognize the constitutionally messy, disruptive right to protest, to petition a government for redress of grievances. Meanwhile, this Congress and this President have established themselves as self-appointed aristocrats and monarchs, with this bill representing a legislative Maginot Line separating Congress, the President and the corporations who appear to own them -- from the rest of us rabble. Amash's offering is tantamount to an obese glutton offering crumbs to the starving -- symbolically empty and useless.

    No response has been received by the Senate sponsor of HR 347's companion bill Senate Bill 1794, Senator Blumenthal. In fact, this bill was passed in the Senate by 'unanimous consent,' which is significant in terms of senatorial accountability and transparency. To quote www.govtrack.us:

    "... This bill passed in the Senate by unanimous consent. A record of each senator's position was not kept." How very convenient for each senator that their position was never recorded -- anywhere. No accountability and certainly no transparency. Here is the link to the House vote record.

    You can contact any member of the U.S. Senate regarding their vote and the lack of transparency on such an important issue.

    Though a majority of Senate business is dispensed with using 'unanimous consent' -- it is inherently troubling that our Senators view the dismissal of our basic right to 'peaceably assembly' as inconsequential.

    In this age of ever increasing police militarization and shrinking civil liberties both here at home and worldwide; the U.S. government under President Obama has morphed into a third Bush term. No longer content to stonewall the public with empty slogans issuing from 'empty suits' -- the political class has degraded to writing obviously illegitimate 'laws' in a desperate attempt to crush any dissent.

    As this bill made its way through the illustrious halls of Congress -- no open discussion was entertained for an entire year. Not a single member of Congress spoke out against this obscenity. Not a single member of Congress alerted the press. Not a single member of Congress contacted legal advocacy groups such as the ACLU, Bill of Rights Defense Committee or the National Lawyer's Guild. The silence deafening -- if not conspiratorial.

    Just this past year the President who campaigned on 'hope' and 'change'--announced some galling changes -- with Congress (for the most part) rubber stamping each and every death blow to the Bill of Rights. President Obama has claimed the right to declare anyone a 'terrorist' or 'terrorist sympathizer' based on nothing more than presidential opinion, and order their assassination. No evidence is required -- at least that the public can see. We are told to blissfully 'trust' our public officials even when they are unworthy of such trust. Now our right to protest, to be disruptive -- has been criminalized as a federal felony.

    Perhaps Congress and the President will find their inner patriot and reverse this rape of our rights. It could happen. By the way -- can anyone pass the Prozac?
    Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanin...b_1328205.html

    for all their faults of being Russia's 'Voice of Russia', RT at least did a couple of stories on it:



    so, what's going on? Washington Elites getting freaked out over the "arab spring" style protests cropping up across the country? pre-emptive actions such as the raid on Occupy Miami seems to be pretty heavyhanded like the State is afraid of its own citizens. As an unrelated food of thought,
    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/technolog...rioting-crowds

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    rt is not a source
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    Sure it is-unless you can prove they just completely fabricated this story out of thin air- which you cant, because they didn't. You just want to pretend this story doesn't happen. That is all.


    Actually exarch, I saw fox pick this up with some Malkin girl. They had a little blurb about it when I was in some cafe (so I don't gotta link), but you could easily google or youtube it if you are interested.

    People don't understand, this is vital for the security of the President. The occupy protests showed how a bunch of dirty unarmed hippies could potentially kidnapp the President. In order for the President to work effectively for OUR well-being and doing what he thinks is best for us, he must be in a mental state of complete serenity-disconnected from those dirty people. Right now the POTUS has very little protecting him, its suprising another JFK Assasination hasen't happened yet. His security detail is very bad- a bullet proof limo, only 100s of Secret Service bodyguards in a large motocade, an advanced intelligence network. God, our President needs our help! We need to give him the peace of mind he so deserves! Come friends, wont you rally to your leader with me?

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    Yuri I almost got mad at you for your post, then I reread the last line and realized you were being sarcastic

    This is ridiculous, especially after the National Defense Authorization Act. We truly live in the "land of the free," when rights guaranteed to us by the government can be taken away so easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmufffins View Post
    Yuri I almost got mad at you for your post, then I reread the last line and realized you were being sarcastic

    This is ridiculous, especially after the National Defense Authorization Act. We truly live in the "land of the free," when rights guaranteed to us by the government can be taken away so easily.
    Rights are not guaranteed by the government. They have been outlined in the BoR as things the government can't take away. Which makes this a non-issue as any sane justice will knock this out of the park in a heartbeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Border Patrol View Post
    Rights are not guaranteed by the government. They have been outlined in the BoR as things the government can't take away. Which makes this a non-issue as any sane justice will knock this out of the park in a heartbeat.
    But they aren't -- since tax revenue began to be slashed in 1980s, the criminal justice system coped by becoming a for profit industry. So most judges these days have about as much judicial integrity as talk radio hosts have journalistic integrity.

    Take the Georgia Senate Bill 469, for example. I have no doubt that it will pass. How? It is, as you say, a direct violation of the Constitution. But getting to court is an issue of money. What the Constitution says has become a matter of sponsorship not a matter of logic, law or justice.

    But what gets lost in all of this, is that people actually voted for the clowns who are proposing this kind of legislation and ultimately the people are to blame for the demise of American Democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Border Patrol View Post
    Rights are not guaranteed by the government. They have been outlined in the BoR as things the government can't take away. Which makes this a non-issue as any sane justice will knock this out of the park in a heartbeat.
    What's the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmufffins View Post
    What's the difference?
    The difference is huge. If a government grants me something then that is a privilege, wouldn't you agree? A right is something codified into law systems as things so important that it is a crime of the highest order for officials to outlaw them. The supreme court would never allow for either.
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    But they aren't -- since tax revenue began to be slashed in 1980s, the criminal justice system coped by becoming a for profit industry. So most judges these days have about as much judicial integrity as talk radio hosts have journalistic integrity.

    Take the Georgia Senate Bill 469, for example. I have no doubt that it will pass. How? It is, as you say, a direct violation of the Constitution. But getting to court is an issue of money. What the Constitution says has become a matter of sponsorship not a matter of logic, law or justice.

    But what gets lost in all of this, is that people actually voted for the clowns who are proposing this kind of legislation and ultimately the people are to blame for the demise of American Democracy.
    The laws passing and the laws being accepted by the Superior and Supreme Courts are two entirely different matters. You're just buying into partisan hysteria if you believe differently. You have heard of the system of checks and balances, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Border Patrol View Post
    The laws passing and the laws being accepted by the Superior and Supreme Courts are two entirely different matters. You're just buying into partisan hysteria if you believe differently. You have heard of the system of checks and balances, right?
    No.

    If you went to a restaurant and waiter came and said

    "Do you mind if the chef takes a in your entree?"

    Would you be offended? Or would you say, "Hey he hasn't defecated on my food yet, he's just asking"?

    What now, if it were a restaurant at which regardless of what you ordered, you were most likely to get what the richest guy in the room wanted you to have and he wants the chef to in your food?

    Because that's the situation we are in.

    The mere insinuation of this is insulting to our democracy.

    And the fact that the smallest percentage of Americans are paying to inflict this kind of thing on the rest of us, just actually adds insult to injury.
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    Wow, is this really going to help the situation? Sounds like it might just aggravate people if some protesters get arrested.
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    Protesting is lame but this is unAmerican.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    Protesting is lame but this is unAmerican.
    The conservative college-boy again

    Protesting is an essential right and even duty within a democracy.

    Else, to the OP-theme, i'm curious: What do you american guys think would happen or happened already as for the protests, if it was not the Obama-administration at charge now, but ie. the Bush-administration aka GOP at charge? Which kind of government policy restricted/restricts more the basic civil rights, the Dem's one or the GOP's one?
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    Seems democracy is getting a little tarnished in the land of the free.

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    Protest a dead presidents funeral and go to jail. Cool!

    This is ed up. ing Richard Blumenthal (D-CT.)... What are the odds this passes?

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    The actual bill:

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...12hr347enr.pdf

    Yea, this is RT fear mongering again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    The actual bill:

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...12hr347enr.pdf

    Yea, this is RT fear mongering again.

    Another retarded thread on TWC...
    is that your rebuttal to HR 347?

    your constitutional rights are under attack and you're attacking the messenger? perhaps the America you think you're defending is no longer the America that exists today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    is that your rebuttal to HR 347?

    your constitutional rights are under attack and you're attacking the messenger? perhaps the America you think you're defending is no longer the America that exists today.
    Did anyone beside me actually read the bill and law it amended cause there are a lot of full retard posts in this thread. Guys people can't research and think on their own
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    Protest is about disrupting the offices of gouverment, because the gouverment does not give a about protestors otherwise. This bill criminalises that.
    It means that any place where the president, or anybody "protected by the secret service" is suddenly becomes off limits for peacefull protestors, who could get a prison term of 1 year for that.

    I wonder how many persons protected by the secret service it takes to turn Washingoton into a no go area for demonstrators.

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    Well now I just feel silly
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