Slave Realism

[Pontifex Maximus]

This is something that has been on my mind for a while, because slaves play an important role in our economy, Roman history, and the Italian revolt event. I would like to make some changes in order to make the system by which we import, use, and buy slaves more realistic.

Currently there's an unlimited number of slaves available for a fixed price. I find this unimaginative so I'm going to propose some changes:

1. We quadruple the number of slaves used on each farm while reducing the base cost of slaves by 75%. That way slave numbers go up, but for no additional cost. So one slave will cost 50 denarii, but read on.

1a. So if this was implemented tomorrow, everyone would multiply their current slave holdings by four and purchase four slaves for 200 denarii instead of one slave for that price. When calculating farm income each slave would then increase farm productivity by .125% instead of the current .5%. It doesn't make the math for figuring out farm income any more complex.

2. Next we will use a roll to determine the number of slaves available in the slave markets every year. This number will be very high after enemy territories have been sacked or relatively low during periods of low warfare. The slave markets will still be stocked by the impoverished who are forced to sell themselves into slavery, however. The market will never completely be dry. In this way we can at least mimic slave market supply/demand and make the element of war in the game a bit more exciting.

[Lord Damien]

1a. So if this was implemented tomorrow, everyone would multiply their current slave holdings by four and purchase four slaves for 200 denarii instead of one slave for that price. When calculating farm income each slave would then increase farm productivity by .125% instead of the current .5%. It doesn't make the math for figuring out farm income any more complex.

But what if you want to keep the current amount of Slaves you have ?. I personally do not buy slaves Nor sell them. I keep the amount that I am suppose to have and the one farm that I have and then leave it. I have not bought any Slaves at all since I started. So can I keep my current amount ?. I really do not want to change the amount as i have never used them except the ones that I got from the beginning

I personally do not have any reason for the Additional income as I never spend the money that i get anyway.

[Pontifex Maximus]

But what if you want to keep the current amount of Slaves you have ?. I personally do not buy slaves Nor sell them. I keep the amount that I am suppose to have and the one farm that I have and then leave it. I have not bought any Slaves at all since I started. So can I keep my current amount ?. I really do not want to change the amount as i have never used them except the ones that I got from the beginning

Nothing is forcing you to buy more slaves. The number of slaves you have right now will be multiplied by four however to keep things consistent across the board in terms of the changes made to farm income per slave.

[Rhapture]

But what if you want to keep the current amount of Slaves you have ?. I personally do not buy slaves Nor sell them. I keep the amount that I am suppose to have and the one farm that I have and then leave it. I have not bought any Slaves at all since I started. So can I keep my current amount ?. I really do not want to change the amount as i have never used them except the ones that I got from the beginning

I personally do not have any reason for the Additional income as I never spend the money that i get anyway.

no offense Damien - this is not about you - but never spending any money seems like a problem - sure you can save money every term - but most senators spent a lot of money on parties, diners, etc. Having Zero expenses seems contrary to the RP.

As for the slaves, there are already limits to the number we can have - currently 400. There is a limit you can send liburna for. The only unlimited supply is Rome - and 200 a slave can add up quickly. 200 for latfundia is 40,000 denarii - or 8 years salary.

If you just want a more realistic number of slaves around for revolt RP reasons I understand that. Although maybe 12 people are currently active(which limits the total number of slaves accounted for) - there were certainly hundreds of thousands of slaves in Italy at this point

[Lord Damien]

Nothing is forcing you to buy more slaves. The number of slaves you have right now will be multiplied by four however to keep things consistent across the board in terms of the changes made to farm income per slave.

Do I have to Multiply my Slaves by 4 ?. I mean I guess I would to make everything fair.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Do I have to Multiply my Slaves by 4 ?. I mean I guess I would to make everything fair.

uh, yeah, unless you want your farms to be 75% less productive.

Out of curiosity, why don't you invest anything in farms?

[Lord Damien]

uh, yeah, unless you want your farms to be 75% less productive.

Out of curiosity, why don't you invest anything in farms?

Because I never knew how. Nor am I good at doing the math about how much additional money the Slaves would get me

My Major problem is that I cant do the math like most can. Its hard for me to Calculate how much I make additionally with the slaves. I got the first slaves because someone told me how much they would make me.

So maybe if someone helps me. I will start investing in other things. Like mining and building more farms.

[Pontifex Maximus]

but most senators spent a lot of money on parties, diners, etc. Having Zero expenses seems contrary to the RP.

That isn't built into any economic factors therefore there's no reason he should lose money every term for no reason.

As for the slaves, there are already limits to the number we can have - currently 400.

There is a limit to how many slaves can work on farms to make it profitablem not a cap on how many can be owned.

If you just want a more realistic number of slaves around for revolt RP reasons I understand that. Although maybe 12 people are currently active(which limits the total number of slaves accounted for) - there were certainly hundreds of thousands of slaves in Italy at this point

NPC farms will also be accounted for in the event of a slave revolt, but I also want to bring up the realistic numbers. If we're going to make the sacking of cities with high populations we're going to need higher slave numbers.

Because I never knew how. Nor am I good at doing the math about how much additional money the Slaves would get me

My Major problem is that I cant do the math like most can. Its hard for me to Calculate how much I make additionally with the slaves. I got the first slaves because someone told me how much they would make me.

So maybe if someone helps me. I will start investing in other things. Like mining and building more farms.

It is a simple equation, if I can do it anyone can.

Currently it is .005 * the number of slaves * 5,000. Literally all you have to do is enter the number of slaves you have into that equation.

[Lord Damien]

but most senators spent a lot of money on parties, diners, etc. Having Zero expenses seems contrary to the RP.

If Their was parties and Dinners and all that stuff. I would take money off my Expenses. I really would spend money. But then I run into the problem of getting confused about how much I spent and my new total

[Lord Damien]

Currently it is .005 * the number of slaves * 5,000. Literally all you have to do is enter the number of slaves you have into that equation.

Sounds Simple Enough Thanks. Now if I buy another Small farm and get the Slaves. I add those slaves to my current number and Times it by 5,000 still right ?

[Rhapture]

I know there are no rules that force you to spend money and there shouldn't be. - I don't want this to be about that, but if it just about him not understanding the economy I have no problems.

There is no cap - but why would you buy more than you needed? I guess you could trade them after using Liburna. Seems like to much work for most here. There just seem enough restraints on how many you can acquire in a single year already. If you want to multiply everything by 4 for more realistic numbers, without changing anything else...

[Pontifex Maximus]

Sounds Simple Enough Thanks. Now if I buy another Small farm and get the Slaves. I add those slaves to my current number and Times it by 5,000 still right ?

Correct

There is no cap - but why would you buy more than you needed? I guess you could trade them after using Liburna. Seems like to much work for most here. There just seem enough restraints on how many you can acquire in a single year already. If you want to multiply everything by 4 for more realistic numbers, without changing anything else...

You might find yourself in possession of slaves you don't need. I sent my fleet for slaves last year to trade just because the money amount involved was high as well. Then I sold off the excess.

[Lord Damien]

You might find yourself in possession of slaves you don't need. I sent my fleet for slaves last year to trade just because the money amount involved was high as well. Then I sold off the excess.

How do you send Trade ships ?.

[Pontifex Maximus]

How do you send Trade ships ?.

You just post where you're sending them and for what resource in the moderator action thread

[Lord Damien]

You just post where you're sending them and for what resource in the moderator action thread

How much does a ship cost me ?.

[Pontifex Maximus]

All of these questions can be answered easily by reading the economy rules....I've already answered that question once today.

[Lord Damien]

One last question.

How Do I read this

Slaves (18) - 5 Slaves

[Pontifex Maximus]

five slaves acquired per ship, 18 denarii multiplied by a random number determined by a dice roll to determine raw denarii revenue.

Though we're kind of getting off topic here...

[Okmin]

Actually the liburna price isn't listed in the economy rules.

Anyway, back on topic then... Support the OP. Seems like it would make it much more interesting.

[Pontifex Maximus]

It was there, just under the wrong heading. I moved it to the economy tab