What's the most leathel unit there is.

[The_King]

Well what do you think.

I think the longbowman is the most leathel because its acurate and can kill loadsof soldiers before it runs out of arrows.

[Drachos]

But as all archers, light cav can kill them. And if the stakes are planted in frond of them, just go by their side or rear.

Idk for me..

[DarthShizNit]

Well, anything scottish...and in that line of thought i shall go with the scots guard.

[florin87]

there is no such thing as a "most lethal" unit. everything can be countered with the right unit.

but if you want a tough army you can never go wrong with peasants and town militia.

[The_King]

there is no such thing as a "most lethal" unit. everything can be countered with the right unit.

but if you want a tough army you can never go wrong with peasants and town militia.

what i meant is put every unit against it bets target, like pike vs spear. then you go for losses vs kills or something

[Drachos]

florin8 is right
SPears n Pikes beat cav
Cav beats sword infantry n archers
archers beat all from distance
sword n mace n axe infantry can beat other infantry(or get beaten) and beat some cavalry.

[Blaze of Macedon]

If you're looking at M2TW vanilla then best bacbone infantry are the Conquistadores. Bummer that they can't be trained in Europe though. Venetian Heavy Infantry with their hammers of doom are excellent too. But any of the standard DFK, DCK, AS, NS etc would do an excellent job at holding the line.

As for pikes it's the Aventuros. Archers it's probably Ottoman Infantry, Dismounted Dvor and Byzantine Guard Archers. Muskets it's Janissaries and Cossacks. Heavy cav for me it's the Teutons. Though any charging Western knight unit will do a good job. Tsars Guard and Quapakulus are also great. Horse Archers it's the Vardariatoi, Mamluks and Sipahis for efficiency (easily recruitable), and Cossacks and Dvor if you want pure class (the first are fast moving, the second have better stats and armor).

So you see there's no such thing as "the best" - gotta be a bit more speciffic as in "best for what task?"

[Jacobim Mugatu]

Like everyone has said, there is no best overall unit.

As for archers, I've found the Sherwood archers to be able to absolutely decimate the enemy, they have 2 hit points too. Aventurier are great as well.
Heavy infantry the conquistadores will go through hell and back and still have half a unit. The Italian infantry like Venetian and swiss guard are awesome too.
Cavalry, the conquistadores because they're fast AND pack a huge punch. Love the French lancers and Turkish qapukulu as well. Do elephants count?
Pikes, aventuros hands down.
Gunpowder, you can't beat basilisks, serpentines, janisaries and cossacks. I always had an infatuation with the monster ribault and monster bombard too. Mortars are great for siege defence as they can destroy siege towers.

[Double A]

If you're looking at M2TW vanilla then best bacbone infantry are the Conquistadores. Bummer that they can't be trained in Europe though. Venetian Heavy Infantry with their hammers of doom are excellent too. But any of the standard DFK, DCK, AS, NS etc would do an excellent job at holding the line.

As for pikes it's the Aventuros. Archers it's probably Ottoman Infantry, Dismounted Dvor and Byzantine Guard Archers. Muskets it's Janissaries and Cossacks. Heavy cav for me it's the Teutons. Though any charging Western knight unit will do a good job. Tsars Guard and Quapakulus are also great. Horse Archers it's the Vardariatoi, Mamluks and Sipahis for efficiency (easily recruitable), and Cossacks and Dvor if you want pure class (the first are fast moving, the second have better stats and armor).

So you see there's no such thing as "the best" - gotta be a bit more speciffic as in "best for what task?"

Whaaaaaat.

Jannisary Archers are better than Ottoman Infantry. They have 1 more ranged attack and more discipline. Furthermore, Longbowmen of all kinds have AP arrows. That automatically makes Retuine Longbowmen the best archer because despite "only" having 8 attack, they can still kill dismounted knights. Sherwood Archers would be the best if they had 2x the unit size but whatever.

[Macunaíma]

About archers, I think Muslim Archers from Sicily are pretty good.

The best Heavy Cavalry is the Tetutonic Knights. A Guild Headquarters and max armor and they'll simply run over anything (except pikes and good spearmen, I guess).

Another good unit is the Hashashim. They are perfect for ambushes and, taking off their hability to hide anywhere, still awesome fighters.

Counting Kingdoms, I would say that the best Heavy Infantry is the Muire. I remember one time I send two units into a massive scottish formation and they standed their ground. When I was able to sent more men to help there was like 19 men left (each unit has 30 men), after being attacked by lots of units from cavalry to pikemen. They can go through anything.

[florin87]

speaking of sherwood archers, how do you get them (barring the occasional mercenary unit)

[Sitalkes]

speaking of sherwood archers, how do you get them (barring the occasional mercenary unit)

Yes I think the Sherwood Archers are battlefield assasins, too, though they cost 250 florins per turn in upkeep so are best kept in a stone fort until needed. It's easy enough to get them as mercenaries but to get them otherwise you have to get the Woodsman's Guild - to get that, you need a high chivalry general in a castle that continuously produces archers (and it may only be available to the English faction).

[florin87]

Yes I think the Sherwood Archers are battlefield assasins, too, though they cost 250 florins per turn in upkeep so are best kept in a stone fort until needed. It's easy enough to get them as mercenaries but to get them otherwise you have to get the Woodsman's Guild - to get that, you need a high chivalry general in a castle that continuously produces archers (and it may only be available to the English faction).

thanks.

[trustno1(2)]

If playing a campaign, woodsmen are awesome.
No upgrades Attack-14, Defense-4, Charge-7
Effective against armor, 210 recruitment cost, 90 upkeep
You can make them almost right away in a campaign as Poland or Russia

[Christonikos]

The answer is simple. The most lethal unit is either culverin or basilisk. Yeah the canons you know. Why? I challenge you to play Americas campaign as Spain. Your army starts with one cannon. Well with that cannon you will conquer half Yukatan Peninsula because at start enemy settlements are villages, which means that enemy gathers at plaza and you shoot cannonballs on them till your ammo is over. 50+ % of enemies are dead. After a few battles the cannon will have 3 golden chevrons and if you don't lose them, America campaign will be a piece of cake for you.

[Silverheart]

The most lethal unit if you´re using it? Hashashim. These guys are incredibly skillful and one of the few truly reliable units in the game.

The most lethal unit if the AI is using it? Genoese Crossbowmen. Their range always surprises me, and their high attack means that they usually kill an infuriatingly high amount of your troops with a single volley. Also, their high defence makes them die slowly even once you manage to catch them.

[Macunaíma]

The most lethal unit if the AI is using it? Genoese Crossbowmen. Their range always surprises me, and their high attack means that they usually kill an infuriatingly high amount of your troops with a single volley. Also, their high defence makes them die slowly even once you manage to catch them.

I have the habit of always exterminating Milan out of rage against this bastards. Those Milanese s always spam them in battles/sieges.

[Double A]

I ing hate those crossbowmen. It's like they're twice as effective when the AI uses them. I think they're DESIGNED to be suicide units, because they can decimate a cavalry charge, but that doesn't mean they'll always live through it.

[VikingOfSixth]

Gunpowder against Aztecs on bridge battles?

[PrestigeX]

Longbow I agree.

There are 3 different kinds, but even the basic and inexpensive "Longbowman" still stays potent all game and at a very low cost and in great abundance.

And the Yeomen and Retinue longbows, they're so powerful in melee you can use them to flank attack.