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**Freddie** · June 12, 2006, 05:05 PM

Does it matter that most of these castles were built by the English (inc the ones in Wales)?

**Denny Crane!** · June 12, 2006, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by the Black Prince

which country has the best castles?

england does
go to wales to see some our fine work
since wales is part of england, by your logic, even the castles not built by the english are still english...

wales is not a country... there is a welsh nation, encompassing about 2/3rds of the land known as wales, but wales is not a country...

Like I said pedantic. That is focusing on the minor details to try and get across some sort of point which is basically irrelevant to the thread since both me and God understood what it was about and that was a comparison of architecture in different locations.

I never stated that they weren't under english ownership but they are not in England they are in wales. If I had made a thread contrasting northumbrian and cumbrian castles would you be saying the same things.

From post 1 and title of thread.

El Guapo and God contesting english vs welsh castles

Is there or is there not a place called England and a place called Wales. Should I get maps as sources and highlight the borders, and are the said castles in this thread located in such places. Do I really need to go this far? Whether or not it is under english control is irrelevant to the thread.

Peter

**Carach** · June 12, 2006, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by the Black Prince

which country has the best castles?

england does
go to wales to see some our fine work

rep worthy.

the English castles in wales were built later, so probably they are better?

but then again english ones in england look pretty damn cool too.

**Carach** · June 16, 2006, 01:18 PM

rofl, just checked my cp and i got negative rep for the post above..apparently it was spam?

what gives? and how do i get this negative rep removed..as its quite obviously theres no reason to give it

**Insurgent** · July 16, 2008, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by King Henry V

That's because you Welsh are desperately trying to make your castles Welsh, when they were all built by the English.
Who here also finds that all the Welsh castles look a bit shabby? They all look as though they need a lot of repair. Warwick and the Tower of London are also my favourite.

Lol maybe because they're much older than most of the English castles. These castles were requested to be built by the English to keep the Welsh under contol, however I'm sure that many welsh people worked to construct them, so they are pretty welsh.

Also, they were used by the welsh in rebellion against the English- the English's creations were being used against them lol!

Harlech castle is my fave btw.

**Insurgent** · July 16, 2008, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Carach

El Guapo: this may or may not have already been said, but they were all built by english rulers to stop the welsh rebelling. it worked.

i think most of the welsh castles are 'newer' than the english ones that have been kind of updated through the times... (wales was conquered in the later medieval period? english castles mostly came out of the norman conquest)

How many of them are from the norman conquest though? Cardiff castle contains Roman walls and a norman keep; ancient stuff.

The outer walls of Cardiff castle are very impressive, and weren't constructed under an English king, but under the third marquess of bute-the barron of Cardiff (who transformed the old castle).

**Goofan** · August 19, 2008, 10:31 AM

Lovely pictures! Some of them are really beautifull and I really hope to see them live one day!

**Eastern Roman** · August 24, 2008, 04:31 AM

cool pics

**René Artois** · July 22, 2009, 07:34 AM

Cardiff castle er... boyo

**Denny Crane!** · July 22, 2009, 07:48 AM

My god this is an old thread. I'd forgotten how pedantic TBP and Carach could be over what was clearly just a bit of fun to show off some architecture!

Someone should do another one, based on European architecture, or perhaps napoleonic era architecture.

**God** · July 22, 2009, 10:51 AM

I demand a revote!

**Insurgent** · August 11, 2009, 07:21 AM

I request pics of some of the native Welsh built castles (to silence all the moaners

).

How about Cricieth, Dolbadarn, Dinefwr, Carreg Cennen and Dolwyddelan?

Plus chuck in pics of Castell Coch and Cardiff Castle.

**Desperado †** · September 05, 2009, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Insurgent

I request pics of some of the native Welsh built castles (to silence all the moaners

).

How about Cricieth, Dolbadarn, Dinefwr, Carreg Cennen and Dolwyddelan?

Plus chuck in pics of Castell Coch and Cardiff Castle.

I was just about to bring Carreg Cennen up in reply to Imb's post. Definitely my favourite castle. Arglwydd Rhys is my homeboy.

And I'm happy to say that I've been to every one of the castles God posted, save Conwy which I've only observed from the road (which is a shame, as it's one of the best preserved castle towns in Europe). And Bodiam is a kick ass English castle, though hardly a defensive one. Fortunately for me, Wales has the most castles per square mile in Europe.

Oh, and to any Medievalist I recommend visiting the Medieval Keep of Dover castle which has had the interior refurbished to how it would of looked at it's creation (Henry II). Really beautiful, from the tapestries to the ornately carved and painted beds, and a nice replica of the Mapa Mundi.