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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...=FBCNETTXT9038

    On Monday, Qatar's prime minister declared his state's intent to start helping the Syrian opposition "by all means", including giving them weapons. Two days later, anti-Assad officials received an offer of a $100m (£63m) donation, from their brothers in arms in Libya. Coincidence? Unlikely, if the Libyan revolution is any indicator.

    The third act, in what looks very much like the beginning of a concerted push to arm the Syrian insurgency, took place today when the previously gun-shy Syrian National Council formed a military council, which it says will act as a clearing house for anyone offering it arms.

    Two probabilities have quickly emerged: the first is that a militarised Syrian National Council is unlikely to be short of suppliers. And, second, Libya is merely a conduit for the $100m, which was at least partly funded by Qatar to get things rolling.

    Libya's national transitional council has been quick to stress that the money it is sending is for humanitarian aid, which is clearly desperately needed in western Syria, withering under a regime offensive. No one in the nascent Tripoli government is quibbling about where the cash comes from. When asked yesterday how a state still in turmoil could afford such a generous gift, an spokesman for the Libyan council replied simply: "It won't be a problem".

    Qatar's remarks this week, as well as Saudi Arabia's claim last Friday that arming the Syrian rebels would be an "excellent idea", clearly shows a new reality. The Rubicon has been crossed. Hopes of resolving Syria's raging insurgency through patience, or dialogue, have evaporated.

    From the early days of the uprising against Colonel Gaddafi, Qatar was running more weapons to Libya's rebels than any other state. Throughout the war, giant Qatari military transporters regularly disgorged tonnes of weaponry in plain view at Djerba airport in Tunisia, not far from the Libyan border.

    The Qataris sent jet fighters to bomb Gaddafi's armour and special forces to train rebels. They opened a military operations room in Doha and hosted the regime's highest-profile defectors, as well as rebel leaders to whom they provided with money and mentoring.

    As Syria has unravelled throughout the past year, Qatar has played another lead role. It was centre stage in the Arab League's move to suspend Damascus as a member state and it has been increasingly strident in its criticism of President Bashar al-Assad, whom Qatar's ruling emir, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, had earlier tried to engage. As was the case in Libya, its agenda remains unclear.

    The change in attitude had been subtle at first: a gradual disengagement, followed by increasingly stern back-channel diplomacy. All carried out in the way of the Arab world: avoiding insult or direct confrontation.

    Not any more. "We should do whatever necessary to help them, including giving them weapons to defend themselves," said Qatar's prime minister, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim Al-Thani, on Monday. "This uprising in Syria now [has lasted] one year. For 10 months, it was peaceful: nobody was carrying weapons, nobody was doing anything. And Bashar continued killing them.

    "So I think they're right to defend themselves by weapons, and I think we should help these people by all means."

    After urging political recourse and discouraging intervention for so long, the Syrian National Council is now also speaking from a markedly different script

    "We wanted to organise those who are carrying arms today," its president, Burhan Ghalioun, said, stressing that any weapons coming into the country should be vetted by the council.

    "The revolution started peacefully and kept up its peaceful nature for months, but the reality today is different. We know that some countries have expressed a desire to arm the revolutionaries. The SNC will be this link between those who want to help and the revolutionaries. It is out of the question that arms go into Syria in confusion."

    It is also beyond doubt that a long predicted milestone in the Syrian conflict has now been reached. From this point, nation states, rather than black-market arms bazaars, loom as potential suppliers to the outgunned opposition. Such a prospect is alarming the US and Nato, which said this week it absolutely ruled out direct intervention in a war that nobody seems to want and most seem to fear.
    Well seem that Syrian uprising which started as a civil protest and later a war has become now a proxy war and is influencing the decisions of the regional actors involved while some sources has reported that Iran is already involved with its military elite units helping Assad to suppress the revolt.

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    I'm wondering, Saudi cat's paw?
    Eats, shoots, and leaves.

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    Good news for the rebels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Good news for the rebels.
    not really, they're just pawns now as is Assad's government
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    not really, they're just pawns now as is Assad's government
    Not really. Just because Qatar is supplying the rebels with weapons it doesn't make them pawns. It would be like calling the Americans pawns because the French, Dutch, and Spanish provided them weapons in the American revolution. Though i do think Qatar is using the rebels to fight a proxy war against Assad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Not really. Just because Qatar is supplying the rebels with weapons it doesn't make them pawns. It would be like calling the Americans pawns because the French, Dutch, and Spanish provided them weapons in the American revolution. Though i do think Qatar is using the rebels to fight a proxy war against Assad.
    If Qatar is opening supplying the rebels with arms then it would lead to war and while supplying arms could be a proxy war against Assad I think it is more likely Qatar is waging a proxy war against Iran IN Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Not really. Just because Qatar is supplying the rebels with weapons it doesn't make them pawns. It would be like calling the Americans pawns because the French, Dutch, and Spanish provided them weapons in the American revolution. Though i do think Qatar is using the rebels to fight a proxy war against Assad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post
    Nice, not even a page in and we already have a DERP post. Let's keep count gentlemen, this is going to be messy.

    Good on Qatar, turns out one of the smallest countries in the Arab world has the biggest balls.
    Their support is for predominantly sectarian reasons, the Saudis are also supporting the rebels because they're not known to be fans of Alawites or any Shias for that matter.

    I am not denying what Bashar Assad is doing is wrong but this is the wrong way to resolve the conflict by prolonging what is in effect a civil war backed by foreign proxies.

    Russia and Iran are backing Assad, while Qatar,Saudi Arabia and Turkey are backing the rebels.

    Also a serious question which must be raised, is what would happen to these weapons if the rebels kill Assad? do you really think they would give up their weapons? just look at Libya and what has happend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    Their support is for predominantly sectarian reasons, the Saudis are also supporting the rebels because they're not known to be fans of Alawites or any Shias for that matter.
    No they are supporting the rebels because they don't like Syria, or Syria's ally Iran. It would be good for them if their biggest rival's ally was overthrown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    I am not denying what Bashar Assad is doing is wrong but this is the wrong way to resolve the conflict by prolonging what is in effect a civil war backed by foreign proxies.
    What should the world do? Assad does not want peace.


    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    Also a serious question which must be raised, is what would happen to these weapons if the rebels kill Assad? do you really think they would give up their weapons? just look at Libya and what has happend.
    I wouldn't try to compare Syria to Libya. Tribal tensions are not that much of a problem in Syria as they are in Libya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    not really, they're just pawns now as is Assad's government
    Nice, not even a page in and we already have a DERP post. Let's keep count gentlemen, this is going to be messy.

    Good on Qatar, turns out one of the smallest countries in the Arab world has the biggest balls.

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    I wonder who has been supporting them with the production of IED's and such so far? Maybe army defectors, or neighbors like Turkey or Israel.

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    Nothing surprising here, Qatar, being Saudi Arabia's pawn, also participates in aggressively intervening into foreign affairs of other sovereign states. Maybe now it would be legitimate if, say, Iran starts actively backing rebellions in various Gulf states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Nothing surprising here, Qatar, being Saudi Arabia's pawn, also participates in aggressively intervening into foreign affairs of other sovereign states. Maybe now it would be legitimate if, say, Iran starts actively backing rebellions in various Gulf states.
    They already do unless your forgetting that Iran is currently backing armed groups in Yemen (though so is Saudi Arabia)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Nothing surprising here, Qatar, being Saudi Arabia's pawn, also participates in aggressively intervening into foreign affairs of other sovereign states. Maybe now it would be legitimate if, say, Iran starts actively backing rebellions in various Gulf states.
    Lebanon - Hezbollah
    Saudi Arabia and Yemen - Shia rebels
    Iraq - Badr Militia and so on....

    Without forgetting that Iran has already in Syria Iranian elite soldiers that are helping Assad to suppress the revolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    Lebanon - Hezbollah
    Saudi Arabia and Yemen - Shia rebels
    Iraq - Badr Militia and so on....

    Without forgetting that Iran has already in Syria Iranian elite soldiers that are helping Assad to suppress the revolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Nothing surprising here, Qatar, being Saudi Arabia's pawn, also participates in aggressively intervening into foreign affairs of other sovereign states. Maybe now it would be legitimate if, say, Iran starts actively backing rebellions in various Gulf states.
    Sorry, Joe, but I have to disagree: Qatar is not considered a pawn of SA by either themselves, or SA. In fact, political tension between those 2 can be often cut with a knife.

    SA would certainly prefer to have a bigger influence on Qatari matters, but reality is different; Qatar has been driving a divergent policy for a while now.

    If there have been any Western diplomatic successes in the ME, it would be this - preventing SA from dominating the region and dictating an over arching policy to its neighbours. All due to dynasties squabbles, SA's completely retarded social policy and legal system (both complete non-starters for any of SA's neighbours) and religious views which are tolerated in regard to SA (thanks to our energy demands) but which are not accepted in the Gulf outside of the moron state.
    The West has successfully managed to nurture the divisions by courting each state in separation. I mean, how strong is GCC? Or the Arab League? They're pathetic, because they spend far more time bickering than actually making plans, or decisions

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    Default Re: Qatar has declared that will openly supply Syrian rebels with weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Nothing surprising here, Qatar, being Saudi Arabia's pawn, also participates in aggressively intervening into foreign affairs of other sovereign states. Maybe now it would be legitimate if, say, Iran starts actively backing rebellions in various Gulf states.
    I'm sure you'd love that, wouldn't you? Most Communists seem to absolutely adore these backwards theocracies. I guess every child they butcher is one more strike against the evil Western establishment, eh?

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    Hey look, someone is doing something productive!
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    so does this mean when Assad gets the situation under control they can attack qatar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    so does this mean when Assad gets the situation under control they can attack qatar?
    I hope he does. It would be the fastest way to see him gone. Arming the FSA probably isn't going to do it, unfortunately.
    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin
    Nothing surprising here, Qatar, being Saudi Arabia's pawn, also participates in aggressively intervening into foreign affairs of other sovereign states. Maybe now it would be legitimate if, say, Iran starts actively backing rebellions in various Gulf states.
    Oh how I wish I could have seen your reaction to Chechnya or the First Gulf War.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    so does this mean when Assad gets the situation under control they can attack qatar?
    no it means he can play the same game and support the PKK's own rebellion in Turkey.
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