Is Nazism left or right of the political spectrum?

[OG Grenadier]

I confess not knowing better, I thought Nazism was extreme right wing politics. Others say it's "ultra Socialist" hence the derogatory language that I have heard "Clinton Nazi News" and such silliness.
Mussolini was Socialist, Russia was by far and away Socialist... how can Nazism be remotely associated with left wing politics in the U.S??? Please play nice...

Thanks chaps... have at it.

[Nevins]

Better fit in the Academy, but traditionally Nazism is wed to Nationalism, which is defined as on the "Right". The Socialist label in NSDAP was not true socialism.

[OG Grenadier]

Better fit in the Academy, but traditionally Nazism is wed to Nationalism, which is defined as on the "Right". The Socialist label in NSDAP was not true socialism.

Very well Sir. Thank you.

[hellheaven1987]

Nazi = National Socialist. I guess they are in middle since they are both Nationalist and Socialist.

[Éorl]

It is deeply immersed head-first into the privy of the political spectrum, that's why they are brown.

[Thorn777]

you couldnt win a single vote without the tag socialism on it in those depression days. people went trough the utter fail of laizes faire

[Arch]

Economically superleft, politically ultra-authorative. Top left corner of the 2-dimensional political spectrum togheter with the communists, the corner that togheter has a leading score in slaying humans.

you couldnt win a single vote without the tag socialism on it in those depression days. people went trough the utter fail of laizes faire

Fail. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=513358

The reason that germany became so sucessful even though being in a middle of an economical crisis is because they adopted a heavy socialist government under hitler. The government gave everyone jobs in which they carried out dutifully so they could become a major powerhouse and rich again.

Or it was becuase they finally had a real leadship with centralised control again. And no, you don't need a state to get an economy going back again. Actually, you usually just need less state.

[Habelo]

Or it was becuase they finally had a real leadship with centralised control again. And no, you don't need a state to get an economy going back again. Actually, you usually just need less state.

Is that why all the balcan countries are so rich?
Or africa?

Do not make the mistake to think that greed is the only thing that can make a market move. Germany used something more powerful; honor. And just look at what they achieved.

[Arch]

Is that why all the balcan countries are so rich?
Or africa?

You mean the balkans that have been under communist rule for half a century? Or Africa with the highest concentration of socialistic states on earth (ofcurse discounting post-soviet states)?



Are you even aware of the fact that free market african states are the fastest growing, and among the most growing economies in the world?

Do not make the mistake to think that greed is the only thing that can make a market move. Germany used something more powerful; honor. And just look at what they achieved.

I didn't say that. I say that the free will of people can make something move. Don't think that forcing someone to do something will make that person do it happily.

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/12/...cation-effect/

[Habelo]

You mean the balkans that have been under communist rule for half a century? Or Africa with the highest concentration of socialistic states on earth (ofcurse discounting post-soviet states)?



Are you even aware of the fact that free market african states are the fastest growing, and among the most growing economies in the world?




I didn't say that. I say that the free will of people can make something move. Don't think that forcing someone to do something will make that person do it happily.

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/12/...cation-effect/

Lets not mix communism with socialism. Going from grey to black can make all the difference afterall.

And the balcan states have very little power and have the most free of markets that exists today: criminal market.
African could also use a little order and rules. However, africa is a total lost cause. No political view or philosophy could ever help that continent without alot of violence being added...

And the nazis didnt "force" anyone to work. The germans wanted to work, to make right for themselves.

[florin87]

You mean the balkans that have been under communist rule for half a century? Or Africa with the highest concentration of socialistic states on earth (ofcurse discounting post-soviet states)

and yet france, one of the richest countries on earth, is the model of the socialist state since the dawn of time

and let us not forget about scandinavia, incidentally the region with highest quality of life on the planet, and its socialist welfare states.

[justicar5]

Economically superleft, politically ultra-authorative. Top left corner of the 2-dimensional political spectrum togheter with the communists, the corner that togheter has a leading score in slaying humans.



Or it was becuase they finally had a real leadship with centralised control again. And no, you don't need a state to get an economy going back again. Actually, you usually just need less state.

Except that the Nazi's privatised massive parts of the German economy, believing that the merciless struggle of capitalism would sort the weak from the strong (They also massively loosened gun laws)

http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf You can make the arguement that it was Crony Capitalism (tho putting crony in front implies there is any other kind) But capitalism it certainly was. Especially during the war years, the singular failure of the german state to fully mobilise it's population to total war (in stead relying on slave labour) was a blessing to the Allies, they still believed in the markets to get them the best results, contracting out everything they could (for instance I G Farben designing the slave labour camp at Auschwitz/Birkenau site 3, aka Monowitz, which had affiliated with it the I G Farben chemical works and the Krupp Steel facility at the camps. Siemens-Schuberts had a sub-camp at Bobrek, there where 45 sub camps in total 28 of which where industrial sites providing slave labour to German corporations. I suggest you start with Wikipedia and then research further.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwi...mp#Auschwitz_I


And then cease claiming the Third Reich was anything but capitalist to the core.


and as for the gun laws. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...an_Weapons_Act as compared to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol..._of_Versailles

They where also massively nationalistic, which is against the entire point of Marxism (workers of the world unite etc)

Someone will now make the case that it is, and I will die a little inside.

That case can't be made. Liberterianism is far closer to anarchism than anything else.

[Thorn777]

Economically superleft, politically ultra-authorative. Top left corner of the 2-dimensional political spectrum togheter with the communists, the corner that togheter has a leading score in slaying humans.




Fail. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=513358



Or it was becuase they finally had a real leadship with centralised control again. And no, you don't need a state to get an economy going back again. Actually, you usually just need less state.

that whole thread is fail. purist nonsense

[Habelo]

The reason that germany became so sucessful even though being in a middle of an economical crisis is because they adopted a heavy socialist government under hitler. The government gave everyone jobs in which they carried out dutifully so they could become a major powerhouse and rich again.

So i always look upon them as left. But yes hitler hated communism and nazis hated communism. Nazis was in love with practicality and things that worked. So they hated the lies of communism.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Seeing that the original Nazi's were fascists it really is hard to bit left or right. Generally though I think people associate them with the extreme right. Some would say extreme centrist as well. So bleh its hard to define.

[hellheaven1987]

Arch you are not an agent of Tea Party right?

[Arch]

Very well Sir. Thank you.

The socialism label is never true as long as the person/party/nation is doing something bad. Hm.

Arch you are not an agent of Tea Party right?

No I am a Swedish Social conservative, but I beleive in free market values.

[Nevins]

The socialism label is never true as long as the person/party/nation is doing something bad. Hm.

No, its because the Nazis practiced an extreme strain of corporatism. Big business was one of Hitler's earliest supporters, Krupp, IG Farben and others did very, very well in the lead up to the war.

EDIT: Read what Justicar wrote for further clarification.

[saglam2000]

Anything can get a state going, they just need a plan and the will to go. Sadly since free markets run off of profit they tend not to sink a lot into fixing up the country unless their profits are guaranteed.

[Arch]

Anything can get a state going, they just need a plan and the will to go. Sadly since free markets run off of profit they tend not to sink a lot into fixing up the country unless their profits are guaranteed.

Sadly, the free market does exactly that.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...howthread.php?