Arty range?

[BlackDragon1032]

Has anyone a clue concerning the range of arty units in FoTS?

[The Juggernaut]

I suspect it's increased a bit since napoleon, as the technology has greatly advanced since then. I'm also not sure how the ability to manually aim cannon affects range.

I don't know if they're still accepting people, but if you really want to know, sign up for the beta
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[Brain_in_a_vat]

I measure it by the word 'ridiculous'. You can basically hit enemy spawn with reasonable accuracy, they're horribly overpowered.

[BlackDragon1032]

I measure it by the word 'ridiculous'. You can basically hit enemy spawn with reasonable accuracy, they're horribly overpowered.

Euhm arty needs to be strong, that's the reason why it was so feared during WWI

[CptAustus]

Euhm arty needs to be strong, that's the reason why it was so feared during WWI

WW1. This is Fall of the Samurai, wars are still fought in open ground.

[Abe86]

I measure it by the word 'ridiculous'. You can basically hit enemy spawn with reasonable accuracy, they're horribly overpowered.

So does every multiplayer match begin with a few artillery shots and both player's generals dying ? or is it not that bad ?

[jamson]

Arty should have long range its the whole point of it, the simple solution is make the maps bigger.

[BlackDragon1032]

Arty should have long range its the whole point of it, the simple solution is make the maps bigger.

I couldn't say it better myself

[Cathal]

I couldn't say it better myself

God no. Don't make the maps bigger. Just reduce the range of the units.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Or how about cavalry? Cause, you know, artillery isn't all that powerful up close.

[BlackDragon1032]

God no. Don't make the maps bigger. Just reduce the range of the units.

OMG why ?????????????
Don't reduce the range !! for goodness sake !!!!!!!

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

God no. Don't make the maps bigger. Just reduce the range of the units.

Yeah, why would you NOT want bigger maps?

[Cathal]

Yeah, why would you NOT want bigger maps?

Why would I want to wait a very long time for our armies to meet up before I can start shooting or get into hand-to-hand fighting? With shogun2 I already have to speed it up to get everyone in range, why would I want to do that for a longer time while artillery is tearing me to pieces?

Makes no sense.

[assistec24]

God no. Don't make the maps bigger. Just reduce the range of the units.

Baah !!! God yes !!! MAKE the map bigger, shogun 2 and fots maps ARE A BAD JOKE compare with ntw !
Both on sea AND land the maps are ridiculous small, and think to siege maps !

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Artillery was the main killer in the modern era, before getting replaced by air power. It's even more overpowered in real life than in any game. See WWI and WWII.

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

I hope it kills! I never use artillery in Shogun/ anything other than Empire and NTW. It just isn't as useful as another unit of good infantry. Or cavalry. Or anything.

But in Empire and Nappy, it kills. The unlimited ammo helps, I feel. But I doubt it will have that in FotS, so it must make up for it by being even more deadly.

[BlackDragon1032]

I hope it kills! I never use artillery in Shogun/ anything other than Empire and NTW. It just isn't as useful as another unit of good infantry. Or cavalry. Or anything.

But in Empire and Nappy, it kills. The unlimited ammo helps, I feel. But I doubt it will have that in FotS, so it must make up for it by being even more deadly.

Indeed and with the tech available in FoTS it should live up against it's rep as mankiller

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

Exactly.

Oh gods Im so excited!

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[leSith]

Well during the 1870 war between France and Prussia , we French amongs other reason lost because German had better artillery ( Krups if I m correct please correct me ) we had better rifles and our infantery fought well but when you are getting art fire and can't fight it back in the end you lose.

So yeah as the time span of fots is arround this period I really hope artillery will be efficient for mp campaign and single campaign they can do whatever they like with the hardcore gaming starcraft like avatar campaign as I don't play it

[Forward Observer]

Well during the 1870 war between France and Prussia , we French amongs other reason lost because German had better artillery ( Krups if I m correct please correct me ) we had better rifles and our infantery fought well but when you are getting art fire and can't fight it back in the end you lose.

So yeah as the time span of fots is arround this period I really hope artillery will be efficient for mp campaign and single campaign they can do whatever they like with the hardcore gaming starcraft like avatar campaign as I don't play it

From what I have read, you are very correct--in that the use the latest cast steel barreled artillery--plus the use of railways by the Prussians gave them the upper hand in that war. The company was Krupp, who went on to become Hitler's main armament manufacturer before and during WW II.

Krups is also a German company, but they started out making precision scales in the mid 1800's, and eventually branched out in to small home appliances after WW II.

I only recently bought a Krups burr coffee grinder, which got me curious about the similar names.

As to the artillery in TW, the one thing that I have observed, in all the warscape engine games, is that the developers have initially made most of heavy long range weapons a bit over powered and/or too accurate--and then later had to nerf them--most likely due to complaints from multi-player community.


It happened in Empire, Napoleon, and Shogun II.

The mangonel in Shogun 2 is a prime example. (It's actually a traction trebuchet, but I guess that was too long to put in the description) Anyway, until they get at least 4 chevrons they can't hit squat, and are almost as dangerous to your own troops at they are the enemy.

However, in single player, I still recruit them for field battles for one reason. They initiate a game mechanic that forces any opposing army to attack your position, regardless of size. This means one doesn't have to root out those irritating little archer heavy armies hiding in forests--constantly pelting your troops with arrows while they take almost no damage.

I have yet to fight an army on the field in Shogun II that also had a mangonel, and only ran into a Christian enemy army once with a cannon.

In Napoleon and Empire this mechanic for land battles meant that the armies with the most artillery were always the defenders regardless of who imitated the attack.

I'm assuming this will continue in FOTS.

Cheers