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    An outpouring of social media support was gaining momentum on Facebook and Twitter on Wednesday night, sparked by a documentary from US humanitarian group Invisible Children to “make Joseph Kony famous” for enslaving and killing Ugandan children.
    Here's the main link: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8431494

    Over the past few years, nations neighbouring Uganda have committed military support in hopes of containing and eliminating this , and the U.S. have provided a few hundred million dollars in humanitarian support on top of around "$23 million in logistical and intelligence support" within a two year period from december 2008 to around november 2010 (according to the first article linked below) and "more than 80 U.S. special operations forces".

    A few other links:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...st-rebels.html
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...4TQ_story.html

    (Have a look at paragraph eight of the washington post link; the hyperlink associated with the word chunk "U.S. special operations forces" leads to a now missing story. The dead link: "http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/small-us-force-to-deploy-to-uganda-aid-fight-against-lords-resistance-army/". Someone mustn't like their efforts being called small .)
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    Yea saw all sorts of posts about this on Facebook today. Just started watching that lil doco now.

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    I don't get this whole "Let's make him known" thing. Sure they're raising awareness against a man who has committed horrendous war crimes, but what next? Where are the donations actually going? Are they attempting to lobby for some sort of foreign intervention into the African wilderness? There are so many questions about this whole campaign that makes it look somewhat shady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda Twin View Post
    I don't get this whole "Let's make him known" thing. Sure they're raising awareness against a man who has committed horrendous war crimes, but what next? Where are the donations actually going? Are they attempting to lobby for some sort of foreign intervention into the African wilderness? There are so many questions about this whole campaign that makes it look somewhat shady.
    Pretty much summed up everything I was gonna say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexanderswift View Post
    Pretty much summed up everything I was gonna say.

    There was criticism of Obama for supporting a muslim nation against a Christian organisation (From Rush Limbaugh for one) So raising awareness of what these glorious Christian soldiers actually do is a good plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    There was criticism of Obama for supporting a muslim nation against a Christian organisation (From Rush Limbaugh for one) So raising awareness of what these glorious Christian soldiers actually do is a good plan.
    The comments by Limbaugh totaly blew my mind, I didn't actually think it was serious. America you so crazy.

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    Yeh, always confusing how these types of campaigns can actualy ment to do anything

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    Very relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ketnix View Post


    Very relevant.
    this, oh god, THIS!
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    I do not doubt for a second that those involved in KONY 2012 have great intentions, nor do I doubt for a second that Joseph Kony is a very evil man. But despite this, I’m strongly opposed to the KONY 2012 campaign.
    KONY 2012 is the product of a group called Invisible Children, a controversial activist group and not-for-profit. They’ve released 11 films, most with an accompanying bracelet colour (KONY 2012 is fittingly red), all of which focus on Joseph Kony. When we buy merch from them, when we link to their video, when we put up posters linking to their website, we support the organization. I don’t think that’s a good thing, and I’m not alone.
    Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services (page 6), with much of the rest going to staff salaries, travel and transport, and film production. This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that.
    The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money supports the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission. These books each refer to the rape and sexual assault that are perennial issues with the UPDF, the military group Invisible Children is defending.
    Still, the bulk of Invisible Children’s spending isn’t on supporting African militias, but on awareness and filmmaking. Which can be great, except that Foreign Affairs has claimed that Invisible Children (among others) “manipulates facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA’s use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony — a brutal man, to be sure — as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.” He’s certainly evil, but exaggeration and manipulation to capture the public eye is unproductive, unprofessional and dishonest.
    As Chris Blattman, a political scientist at Yale, writes on the topic of IC’s programming, “There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children or saving of Africa. […] It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming. Usually misconceived programming.”
    Still, Kony’s a bad guy, and he’s been around a while. Which is why the US has been involved in stopping him for years. U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) has sent multiple missions to capture or kill Kony over the years. And they’ve failed time and time again, each provoking a ferocious response and increased retaliative slaughter. The issue with taking out a man who uses a child army is that his bodyguards are children. Any effort to capture or kill him will almost certainly result in many children’s deaths, an impact that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Each attempt brings more retaliation. And yet Invisible Children supports military intervention. Kony has been involved in peace talks in the past, which have fallen through. But Invisible Children is now focusing on military intervention.
    Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem.
    Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on supporting ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse.
    If you want to write to your Member of Parliament or your Senator or the President or the Prime Minister, by all means, go ahead. If you want to post about Joseph Kony’s crimes on Facebook, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012.
    ~ Grant Oyston, visiblechildren@grantoyston.com
    Grant Oyston is a sociology and political science student at Acadia University in Nova Scotia, Canada. You can help spread the word about this by linking to his blog at visiblechildren.tumblr.com anywhere you see posts about KONY 2012.
    http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

    Sums it up quite well.

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    They want Joseph Kony Arrested? And then the LRA will continue the same with a different leader, or split into many factions making the violence even worse. Good documentary though.
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    Seriously, my Facebook has been COVERED with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ketnix View Post
    http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

    Sums it up quite well.
    Came across that earlier, it's something to link to wannabe "Social Activists".

    Quote Originally Posted by mattgoby View Post
    They want Joseph Kony Arrested? And then the LRA will continue the same with a different leader, or split into many factions making the violence even worse. Good documentary though.
    Exactly. Al-Qaeda is a good example of that, Bin Laden dead, yet Al-Zawari continues in his place continuing to do what they've done for over 10 years. Doesn't change anything - except the names and faces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ketnix View Post
    http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

    Sums it up quite well.
    +Rep for the link.
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    Some links/blogs about why you shouldn't donate money to Invisiblechildren:
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    http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02...ible-children/

    For anyone that doesn't want to read those links they basically say that the whole cause (although a worthy one) is unnecessary because Kony has already been defeated in Uganda.

    Invisible Children (IC) swept the university campuses of America last year. The group wanted to mobilize college students to be aware of what happened in Uganda in recent years, the atrocious acts of Joseph Kony and his rebel group, the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA). I heard about Invisible Children for the first time when I was researching Uganda. I was immediately fascinated by their website. It’s very well done, but I noticed one thing. It lacked real information. If you haven’t seen the film or know nothing about their purpose, let me catch you up to speed with my version. Three clueless college kids head to Sudan with no plans and no idea about what they’re going to find. They’re looking for a “story”. They leave Sudan and make their way into Uganda. They find some bad stuff going on there. So they made a MTV-esque DVD about what was happening there. They wanted to draw attention to what they found.
    So far, this sounds good. However, there is a major, major problem. I’m going to compare what IC is doing to an analogy that I thought of this past summer when I was Uganda thinking about this issue. Imagine that today you heard about what happened in NYC and Washington DC on September 11, 2001 for the first time. You were shown a video of footage from that day. You saw the planes hit the towers, you heard President Bush’s address, you saw the Pentagon wreckage, you watch in horror as you see people plunge to their death, jumping from the burning towers. Now imagine that you are inspired by this disaster. You want to something to help. What if you went to NYC today, expecting to see piles of rubble to clean up? What if you went, expecting that there would be thousands of people in the streets crying, looking for loved ones? But what would happen when you arrived and discovered that there was none of this, but a whole host of other problems?
    And back to Uganda. Uganda is no longer experiencing violence from the LRA. Yes, I said it. It’s an uncomfortable truth, but it is a truth. For about the last year, since before IC hit the scene, Kony and his troops have been pushed into Congo, into the Garamba National Forest there. He’s sick, starving, and on his last legs. For the first time, Uganda is in the middle of real peace talks and the rebels have laid down their arms and are assembling to make peace. Why? This is happening because Joseph Kony was defeated. The Uganda People’s Defense Force (UPDF) has beaten them back and Kony was sitting in Congo starving to death. Since March 2002, the UPDF has been allowed to carry out raids against the LRA into Southern Sudan and has even crossed into Congo, to the distress of most of the African community. Nonetheless, Operation Iron Fist, as this military offensive was called, has freed many child soldiers and sex slaves and brought them back to Uganda. The rebels again became very violent in 2003, but since 2004, the Ugandan government has been repeatedly beating the rebels and weakening them. Uganda is no longer allowed to enter Sudan or Congo to fight the LRA.
    Last edited by Merchant; March 07, 2012 at 10:41 AM. Reason: Someone already posted the link lol

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    Having just had my Facebook account inbox spam ed by this crap I'd love to know how on earth the Ugandan army managed to secure the services of such a potent lobby group.

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    I just wrote this on my facebook

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Helt plötsligt ska alla börja bry sig om Ugandas barn. Ledsen folks, ni blir inte bättre människor för att ni länkar snyftfilmer på facebook. Sanningen är att det är sådan patetisk "Oj nu bryr jag mig och klickar lite"-beteende som är det verkliga problemet. Knappklick gör ingen skillnad. Ni gör ingen skillnad. Men ni klickar och spammar vidare ändå, därför att det får er att må bättre - tills nästa film dyker upp förstås. Patetiskt.

    When good men do nothing.


    Meaning

    Suddenly, everyone is to care about Ugandas children. Sorry, folks, you don't become better people just becuase you link crymovies on facebook. The truth is that it's just that pathetic "oh now I care and click some"-behaviour that is the real problem. Clicks makes no difference. You make no difference. But you click and spam still, becuase it makes you feel better - until next movie shows up ofcurse. Pathetic.


    When good men do nothing.

    Spread that. Or add me and share, http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1844235643.

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    Just had a huge discussion about this on fb where I said it's bullcrap and pure hypocrisy.. I don't make myself popular haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cupoftea View Post
    Just had a huge discussion about this on fb where I said it's bullcrap and pure hypocrisy.. I don't make myself popular haha.
    I know that feeling! My friends list hate me even more now than before!
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    Kony? Uganda? We still haven't fixed Rwanda, Sudan, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Zambia, Tanzania, Liberia, Nigeria, Niger, Mali, Morocco, Senegal, Cote D'Ivoire, Cameroon, Congo, Angola, Chad, the other Congo, Zimbabwe... and that's just Africa. Tibet, Burma, ...
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    I've been seeing that all day and wondered what it was all about. Well he doesn't seem like a very nice individual, so it seems good to bring him to public attention even if the charity behind the campaign is apparently rather dubious.

    Oh and posting those sort of counter-current trend posts makes you seem just as attention seeking as those suddenly advocating the cause of the month. Just a thought

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