The Guppy Special Tribunal

[Kip]

This thread is reserved exclusively for the protest and resolution of major outcomes in IH.

If you wish to engage in such a protest, please pursue it in a proper manner - elaborate your position in reasonable terms, argue your point of view, and please keep it civil.

[Agamemnon]

Posting here so I can read the ensuing arguments.

[Dave Strider]

Hey...uh...Barry?

How did we lose Moscow when we have two elite divisions stationed there?

4th 'Kantemirovskaya' Guards Armored Division - 10,000/1,500 tanks (armored unit, stationed in Moscow)

100th Guards Rifle Division - 10,000 (infantry/attack heli, stationed in Moscow)

[Barry Goldwater]

Did you? I thought these were spent in the battle on the front. Given that they were first bombed without having any means of fighting back (no AA capabilities), and then had to face three enemy units (two of which were among the best fielded by the Swedes and IU, respectively) they'd still have lost, but this does mean the IU would have to have been bloodied somewhat before they could go on their genocidal rampage. Will change the battle somewhat.

[Dan the Man]

Oh well. I don't mind tuning down the psychotic rampage at all. Though, it's strange that your map doesn't make note of any such force present in the city. Care to explain that?

[Dave Strider]

Well technically there are no AA capabilities, but the Attack Helos must have had some kind of effect...

Also, what of the Tsar's Guard Divisions? Did they jump ship and join the Tsarists(and as such are long-dead), or are they still available for battle?

[Barry Goldwater]

Yeah, that is a problem. Kip, for example, showed that some of his men were staying behind in Warsaw to protect it. You, on the other hand, not so much...

[Dave Strider]

Oh well. I don't mind tuning down the psychotic rampage at all. Though, it's strange that your map doesn't make note of any such force present in the city. Care to explain that?

I forgot about them until now.

[Dan the Man]

Yeah, that is a problem. Kip, for example, showed that some of his men were staying behind in Warsaw to protect it. You, on the other hand, not so much...

I drew that bit, actually. It was Kip's strategy though.

I forgot about them until now.

Even whilst writing your orders?

[Dave Strider]

Even whilst writing your orders?

I forgot about them until now.

[Dan the Man]

So it wasn't in your conscious mind at all as you were drawing up the map?
And jeez, don't get testy.

[Dave Strider]

So it wasn't in your conscious mind at all as you were drawing up the map?

I forgot about them until now.

I've been testy the past 3 weeks

[Dan the Man]

Stop doing that and just answer me. You completely forgot they existed and did not remember until right now, after all was said and done?

[Dave Strider]

Yes. I was recruiting troops and I checked the main thread to check the prices, and then I saw the elite units thing.

[Barry Goldwater]

Well technically there are no AA capabilities, but the Attack Helos must have had some kind of effect...

Also, what of the Tsar's Guard Divisions? Did they jump ship and join the Tsarists(and as such are long-dead), or are they still available for battle?

Bombers tend to fly quite a bit higher than helicopters, ya know.

And no, they're gone.

[Dan the Man]

So...you didn't even know you had them until after you had sent your orders? Or did you create the orders with them in mind and simply forget to note them? If it's the latter, then we have no problem, though it's difficult to explain the lack of notation on the map. Surely such integral units would have found a place there. If it's the former, basically you're that kid who, when playing tag on the playground, claims to have a forcefield after being tagged.

EDIT: Wait, I think I understand: They were already deployed in Moscow itself before the battle, you just didn't bother to move them. If that's the case, then we definitely have a problem: You can't just assume that Barry is automatically going to know the positions of all of your troops. What's in the orders is in the orders. If you didn't mention it at the time then, sorry, but you're outta luck.

[Dave Strider]

So...you didn't even know you had them until after you had sent your orders? Or did you create the orders with them in mind and simply forget to note them? If it's the latter, then we have no problem, though it's difficult to explain the lack of notation on the map. Surely such integral units would have found a place there. If it's the former, basically you're that kid who, when playing tag on the playground, claims to have a forcefield after being tagged.

EDIT: Wait, I think I understand: They were already deployed in Moscow itself before the battle, you just didn't bother to move them. If that's the case, then we definitely have a problem: You can't just assume that Barry is automatically going to know the positions of all of your troops. What's in the orders is in the orders. If you didn't mention it at the time then, sorry, but you're outta luck.

This.

[Dan the Man]

Then, once again, sorry, but lady luck isn't on your side.
Though, our King's word is the deciding factor. What say you, Barry?

[Barry Goldwater]

I've retconned the battle's outcome (slightly) so the elites are in the city and do some real damage to the invading forces, but Moscow's still lost. Srsly Fred, next time, make sure to mention all units in the general area of the battle, even if you are holding them back - I'm not omniscient, and I won't remember if you had a unit to stop the fall of a city that was lost a day or a week ago, it's seriously aggravating. This was a recurring problem in some Alliance games and in BG 1914 too, I think.

[Dave Strider]

Sorry. Won't happen again

In that case, though, there are elite divisions in Novgorod, Kiev, and Tsaritsyn. I'm not sure if Kiev fell, but I won't ask you to edit that too if it did