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    In his memoirs, former UK Defence Secretary Sir John Nott describes France as Britain's "greatest ally" during the Falklands War. But formerly secret papers and other evidence seen by the BBC show that was not the full story.

    Before the war, France sold Argentina's military junta five Exocet missiles.

    At the time, few suspected that the regime's longstanding claim on the Falklands would lead to war, and the sale went largely unnoticed. But when in May 1982 these Exocet missiles were used to strike Britain's HMS Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyor, with the loss of 32 British lives, near panic ensued in London.

    At the start of the conflict, France's left-leaning president, Francois Mitterrand, had come to Britain's aid by declaring an embargo on French arms sales and assistance to Argentina.

    He also allowed the Falklands-bound British fleet to use French port facilities in West Africa, as well as providing London with detailed information about planes and weaponry his country had sold to Buenos Aires.

    Paris also co-operated with extensive British efforts to stop Argentina acquiring any more Exocets on the world's arms market.

    But Mitterrand's policy of supporting Britain provoked dissent among some senior officials in the French foreign ministry.

    In a stinging memo dated 7 April 1982, France's then ambassador to London, Emmanuel de Margerie, described British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher as "Victorian, imperialist and obstinate". He went on to add that she had a "tendency to get carried away by combative instincts".

    In another document entitled The Falklands: Lessons from a Fiasco, senior French official Bernard Dorin accused Britain of "superpower arrogance" and claimed the country had shown "profound contempt for Latinos".

    Behind the scenes, actions were speaking louder than words. In what would appear to be a clear breach of President Mitterrand's embargo, a French technical team - mainly working for a company 51% owned by the French government - stayed in Argentina throughout the war.
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    "Are the French duplicitous people? Of course they are” Sir John Nott, Former UK defence secretary
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    France actually collaborated with the UK to help them break the code of exocets... the original idea behind buying those missiles(and the Super-Etendarts) was to throw all of it to the Chileans for a Magallane's Straight war that almost happened in 1979.

    I wouldn't call France's actions ''treachery''.

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    Less of a betrayal than the Obama Missile Crisis Cluster in Eastern Europe.

    Why the hell would we ever negotiate with the Russians from a position of power to weaken the NATO for their benefit. America has done more damage in the last 3 years than France did in the Falklands.
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    If you look at the situation in the 1970s, the French can't be blamed for selling arms, since everyone else was doing it, and it's up to the British General Staff to figure out what could be potentially dangerous to their interests and sabotage those sales.

    That's the reason the RN won't be selling their surplus carriers to any Chinese interest.
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    Seriously? I cant get over the fact that Britain said France is their best friend... I thought it was the US. you London we dont need your sorry ass.

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    To be fair the French sell weapons to everyone, always have always will.
    Rumour has it the French have developed ‘super concrete’ that is immune to bunker busting bombs.
    The Iranians are lapping it up so they can bury their medium range rocket powered nuclear power stations safely under it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    Seriously? I cant get over the fact that Britain said France is their best friend... I thought it was the US. you London we dont need your sorry ass.
    Well Obama also said that France was the US's greatest ally. Also the US aren't particularly good "friends" to the UK anyway - we will just have to fight it out over who gets to be best friends with France now .


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    The article clearly states the technical team had a DGSE informer among them. Hard to say how much info about the argentine military this brought in, but it would have been the best on the ground info there was I suspect. You cannot expect arms companies to act honourably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markas View Post
    The article clearly states the technical team had a DGSE informer among them. Hard to say how much info about the argentine military this brought in, but it would have been the best on the ground info there was I suspect. You cannot expect arms companies to act honourably.
    The question is what DGSE's stance during Falkland War; clearly DGSE was not following French government's wish during the war (as the former French president already claimed he had no idea what DGSE was doing during the war) and there was the possibility that DGSE was supporting Argentina with information to defeat UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    The question is what DGSE's stance during Falkland War; clearly DGSE was not following French government's wish during the war (as the former French president already claimed he had no idea what DGSE was doing during the war) and there was the possibility that DGSE was supporting Argentina with information to defeat UK.
    That's not in the article. Where are you getting this from?
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    goddamn frenchies selling arms to argentina i hate them forever

    wait, who built the following vessels: ARA Hércules, ARA Santísima Trinidad.

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    The OP provides insufficient basis for discussion. PM me if you want to improve this. Closed in the meantime.

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