Are the Welsh stupid?

[sapguy]

im playing Britannia and im at was with wales and when we have a siege battle they have alot of archers. so after they get through my gates they send there archers to fight at the gates?
are they retarded?
i then completely crush them.
is the AI stupid like this or is there something wrong?

[Leaf-Fan-Forever]

im playing Britannia and im at was with wales and when we have a siege battle they have alot of archers. so after they get through my gates they send there archers to fight at the gates?
are they retarded?
i then completely crush them.
is the AI stupid like this or is there something wrong?

To put it simply, the AI ain't to smart. This is probably the most common complaint on these forums. Only solution is to play a mod that changes the Battle AI and/or Campaign AI.

[Bringer Of Storms]

The AI is very broken in Vanilla M2TW.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=453503

A great mod for enhancing the game and AI.

[sapguy]

The AI is very broken in Vanilla M2TW.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=453503

A great mod for enhancing the game and AI.

Is that compatible with kingdoms? and will it work with a current campaign game or do i have to start over?

thx

[sapguy]

i downloded it and i tryed to install it and it said it had encountered a problem and needs to close.

help please

[Geoffrey of Villehardouin]

Is that compatible with kingdoms? and will it work with a current campaign game or do i have to start over?

thx

Apparently you need to unpack Kingdoms, see cant install really bad ai

It is not the Welsh who are retarded but the battle and campaign AI. In my view the Kingdoms Crusades campaign and battle AI are better than Britannia, as well as better than Vanilla. I played Britannia as the Welsh and conquered all of England without the English making a single move on me after turn 14-15. Even if they had a massive army next to a castle guarded by a single unit they would not lay siege on it. Moreover, when the English king returned from his Crusade with a nice army full of Templars, he stayed in London alone and the AI took the army without a general for a walk in East Anglia. The result was that the Templars were massacred and a few turns later London was captured with the king trying to defend the city on his own with his bodyguard.

Based on that experience, it is even surprising that in your game the Welsh actually went into the trouble of besieging something.

What is ridiculous in my view is that Creative Assembly have made those extremely hard to win historical battles, you spend weeks trying to win them, you feel like a genious for winning just once, then you start a campaign and the computer player cannot even put a decent army together, let alone fight sensibly. It can obviously be done, if Creative Assembly could give you a hard time in the historical battles.

[Sitalkes]

Apparently you need to unpack Kingdoms, see cant install really bad ai

It is not the Welsh who are retarded but the battle and campaign AI. In my view the Kingdoms Crusades campaign and battle AI are better than Britannia, as well as better than Vanilla. I played Britannia as the Welsh and conquered all of England without the English making a single move on me after turn 14-15. Even if they had a massive army next to a castle guarded by a single unit they would not lay siege on it. Moreover, when the English king returned from his Crusade with a nice army full of Templars, he stayed in London alone and the AI took the army without a general for a walk in East Anglia. The result was that the Templars were massacred and a few turns later London was captured with the king trying to defend the city on his own with his bodyguard.

Based on that experience, it is even surprising that in your game the Welsh actually went into the trouble of besieging something.

What is ridiculous in my view is that Creative Assembly have made those extremely hard to win historical battles, you spend weeks trying to win them, you feel like a genious for winning just once, then you start a campaign and the computer player cannot even put a decent army together, let alone fight sensibly. It can obviously be done, if Creative Assembly could give you a hard time in the historical battles.

Hear, hear!! I've had a very similar experience with the Welsh, it wasn't until I attacked Scotland that I got into a dangerous situation. My AI army of Templars couldn't get into London as I already owned it so it ran to a wood nearby instead and hid it. There was nowhere to go from the wood and when I attacked the wood they retreated and were automatically deleted from the game! Actually it didn't take that long to win the historical battles and Agincourt was only a challenge because the French attack ahistorically from the rear.

[sapguy]

but the files are in the game file now.
im confused,

[Aeratus]

This behavior is normal to the AI. The AI will always try to melee itself into the gates regardless of the types of units it has. Even if all they have are horse archers and all your units are heavy infantry.

[Double A]

All mods are compatible with Kingdoms and you need to restart for probably all of them

[Yojimbo]

im playing Britannia and im at was with wales and when we have a siege battle they have alot of archers. so after they get through my gates they send there archers to fight at the gates?
are they retarded?
i then completely crush them.
is the AI stupid like this or is there something wrong?

Well it is a siege so they cant really shoot over your walls and they are even more screwed if they try to take you on the walls seeming as the defenders get hefty bonuses to stats on the walls. IE, knights will suffer a lto of casluties from simple spear millita so their best bet is to rush your gate with as many guys as possible and try to rout you. it doesn't work of course because welsh archers are very weak.

[Ruprecht]

Stop wasting your time playing Vanilla. Download a quality mod like Stainless Steel and enjoy a campaign that is better in every single way. Versions 6.2 and up have crazy good BAI, they will rush you, flank you, and won't give you an inch. Vanilla AI is broken in comparison, actually it is just broken.

Some of the guys that created the AI for SS now work for CA. That should speak for itself.

[Posantio of Umbria]

In open fields, as missile unit ordered to shoot at an enemy beyond their range stops moving and starts firing as soon as they're in range. When they have to go across a bridge or through a gate or street to come within range they just keep moving until they have room for to deploy in their original formation (that is: before they started moving). This means that they often enter close combat with intervening enemy units this way.
As a player you can micro-manage this (i.e. keep the missile unit selected and as soon as the bow-and-arrow-marker becomes green command the unit to shoot), the A.I. can't or doesn't.
In general, when archers on the attacking side of a siege are out of range and are ordered to shoot at units on the other side of the gate, they will keep moving even when they come into range and that way enter close combat.

This remains an issue in mods in my experience (DLV, stainless steel, CHII:SV).

[Double A]

Well it is a siege so they cant really shoot over your walls and they are even more screwed if they try to take you on the walls seeming as the defenders get hefty bonuses to stats on the walls. IE, knights will suffer a lto of casluties from simple spear millita so their best bet is to rush your gate with as many guys as possible and try to rout you. it doesn't work of course because welsh archers are very weak.

Wait, there's a stat boost? I always thought it was a manpower issue.

[Yojimbo]

Wait, there's a stat boost? I always thought it was a manpower issue.

Nope. Try it in custom battle weak troops have far better morale and fight much more effectively on walls. even if you use a siege tower so you can get lie 40 of your knights on the wall at once a unit of merc spearmen on the walls will kill load of them even if they arent quite strong enough to win. of course some of it is the fact the knights are usualy surrounded and outnumbered but you can still tell.

[In3x]

Tbh the AI is all the mods is stupid as well.

[Bringer Of Storms]

Tbh the AI is all the mods is stupid as well.

An improvement to vanilla nonetheless.

[Ruprecht]

Tbh the AI is all the mods is stupid as well.

Stupid compared to what ? ... Like the AI in 99% of other games is any better.


My point being, there is a markable improvement in SS AI over Vanilla. If i had to rate the difficulty increase it would be roughly 1000% better than Vanilla. I say this because it is relative to the OP's problem.

Saying all AI is stupid, is not true and helps no one.

An improvement to vanilla nonetheless.

Exactly.

[Double A]

Can someone point me to the game with the best AI? As in one that's actually a challenge instead of given a whole bunch of cheat codes to play with?

[Bringer Of Storms]

Can someone point me to the game with the best AI? As in one that's actually a challenge instead of given a whole bunch of cheat codes to play with?

Stainless Steel -Great mod, great AI, great map, great factions. Great everything.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=417435

BGRV- The first time I have ever lost a Total War campaign. Pure evil that will destroy you your first time unless you seriously think out every move, and play on VH/VH

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=106060

ReallyBad AI Hardcore- Battles are actually a challenge now. AI will actually flank and try to kill you, succeeding in battles much more often.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=253132

So you know, the bottom two are sub-mods for Stainless Steel. Trust me, you'll wonder how you ever played vanilla. I know I do.