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    Default China military budget tops $100bn for first time

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-17249476

    China's official defence spending will rise by 11.2% in 2012, pushing it above $100bn (£65bn) for the first time, the government has announced.
    Beijing's defence budget has risen each year for two decades to become the world's second-biggest, behind the US.
    It is developing an aircraft carrier, a stealth fighter jet, and missiles that can shoot down satellites.
    The US promised to bolster its presence in the region last year, in a move seen as countering China's dominance.
    Washington, which spends about $740bn on defence each year, already has bases housing thousands of American troops across the region.
    The BBC's Martin Patience in Beijing says Chinese officials remain wary about growing American influence in the region, and believe Washington wants to encircle China.
    'Peaceful development'
    China's emerging military might has especially worried its near neighbours.
    China has long-running territorial disputes with Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan, and has also positioned hundreds of missiles for a potential attack on Taiwan, which it views as part of its territory.
    Continue reading the main story Big military spenders - official figures

    • US: $739.3bn
    • China: $106bn
    • UK: $63.7bn
    • Russia: $52.7bn
    • India: $31.9bn
    Sources: IISS; Chinese government

    Announcing the new budget, Li Zhaoxing, an official with China's parliament, sought to calm concerns over the spending programme.
    "China is committed to the path of peaceful development and follows a national defence policy that is defensive in nature," he said.
    "China has 1.3 billion people, a large territory and long coastline, but our defence spending is relatively low compared with other major countries."
    As a proportion of its GDP, China's official military budget is far lower than either the US or the UK.
    But foreign experts have estimated that Beijing's actual military spending could be as much as double the official budget.
    During 2011, China carried out its first test flight of a stealth fighter jet, and the first sea trial of its aircraft carrier.
    Both pieces of equipment remain years away from active deployment.
    Beijing is also building new submarines and ships, and developing a range of anti-ship ballistic missiles.
    The armed forces, known as the People's Liberation Army, boasts more than two million personnel - the biggest military in the world.
    A question rises:Why China raises its military budget?Do the chinese have enemies?As far as i know China has settled her differences with Russia,India and Japan.And noone wants a war between US and China(including US and China)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
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    A question rises:Why China raises its military budget?Do the chinese have enemies?As far as i know China has settled her differences with Russia,India and Japan.And noone wants a war between US and China(including US and China)
    Well, they haven't settled the *differences* with their own people. It appears the problem is getting more and more serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aqd View Post
    Well, they haven't settled the *differences* with their own people. It appears the problem is getting more and more serious.
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    All I see is:
    "Blah Blah Blah India has defence spending three times as much as Greece with x100 population, nukes, airplane production and a nuclear armed enemy at their doors!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
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    A question rises:Why China raises its military budget?Do the chinese have enemies?As far as i know China has settled her differences with Russia,India and Japan.And noone wants a war between US and China(including US and China)
    I think that's because research costs, and they also want to develop and produce more modern systems. Modernising a huge army costs.
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    We probably should ask first why US needs $739.3bn while China, which has nearly twice more men than US yet only use 1/7 amount of US military budget. That would show how ridiculous people crying everytime when PLA military budget rise up.

    Go and cry me a river how much US spend on military before crying why PLA increases its spend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    We probably should ask first why US needs $739.3bn while China, which has nearly twice more men than US yet only use 1/7 amount of US military budget. That would show how ridiculous people crying everytime when PLA military budget rise up.
    Because average chinese people are poor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aqd View Post
    Because average chinese people are poor?
    What does the average person in China being poor have to do with the fact that China's larger military spends 1/7th as much as the American counterpart? If you mean the difference is solely from pay, I advise you to do some basic math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman View Post
    What does the average person in China being poor have to do with the fact that China's larger military spends 1/7th as much as the American counterpart? If you mean the difference is solely from pay, I advise you to do some basic math.
    The point is that people think the Chinese government should be putting the downtrodden citizens before national defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    We probably should ask first why US needs $739.3bn while China, which has nearly twice more men than US yet only use 1/7 amount of US military budget. That would show how ridiculous people crying everytime when PLA military budget rise up.

    Go and cry me a river how much US spend on military before crying why PLA increases its spend.
    I guess it's because as recent as 4 years ago, the average Chinese citizen was making $4,298 annually. In many people's minds, the government should be working harder to increase the wages of its workers instead of outfitting its military with the latest gizmos when they have no enemies to use them against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence of Arabia View Post
    I guess it's because as recent as 4 years ago, the average Chinese citizen was making $4,298 annually. In many people's minds, the government should be working harder to increase the wages of its workers
    And that's exactly what they do - increasing wages for workers in military professions.

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    instead of outfitting its military with the latest gizmos when they have no enemies to use them against.
    That's the thing about latest gizmos: if you have them there is no enemy, but when you don't there suddenly is.

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    China is going to destroy us all. And they will smile and be friendly as they burn our cities.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    China is going to destroy us all. And they will smile and be friendly as they burn our cities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    China is going to destroy us all. And they will smile and be friendly as they burn our cities.
    Chinese don't burn cities, they flood them. With iPads...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbEast View Post
    That's the thing about latest gizmos: if you have them there is no enemy, but when you don't there suddenly is.
    Except in China's case, they haven't fought a war since -- what -- the 1950's? They were hardly in their prime technologically the last 50 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence of Arabia View Post
    Except in China's case, they haven't fought a war since -- what -- the 1950's? They were hardly in their prime technologically the last 50 years.
    1970s. Against Vietnam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence of Arabia View Post
    I guess it's because as recent as 4 years ago, the average Chinese citizen was making $4,298 annually. In many people's minds, the government should be working harder to increase the wages of its workers instead of outfitting its military with the latest gizmos when they have no enemies to use them against.
    That is something you should tell Greece instead China - stop that retarded "Ottoman is coming!!!" crap and disband that ridiculous Aegean fleet now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    We probably should ask first why US needs $739.3bn while China, which has nearly twice more men than US yet only use 1/7 amount of US military budget. That would show how ridiculous people crying everytime when PLA military budget rise up.

    Go and cry me a river how much US spend on military before crying why PLA increases its spend.

    Let's see... how many aircraft carriers China has? How many airplanes? Tanks?
    How much the Chinese soldier costs to the goverment?
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    China's ing huge, 20x the population of the UK and just twice it's military budget. Let them increase it another 10 times over, I don't mind.

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    Who cares, they're still ages behind NATO and hopelessly outgunned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holger Danske View Post
    Who cares, they're still ages behind NATO and hopelessly outgunned.

    Not so sure. Any links?
    Even if so, they're catching up fast. They'll have aircarriers in 2015.
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