Georgetown Grad Student Cash for Sex

[Col. Tartleton]

If you weren't aware, Georgetown Grad Student Sandra Fluke went before congress and argued that she and other students should be given funds for birth control and other sex related costs for students at Georgetown which of course is run by the Society of Jesus. She argued that many girls were unfairly subject to thousands of dollars in costs that negatively affected them.

Rush Limbaugh wisely explained how it was church subsidized prostitution because she and others must be sluts for needing to spend thousands of dollars on birth control and condoms etc. Many shenanigans ensued. Now he's the bad guy because college girls at Georgetown are spending more time on their back than on their studies. He boldly suggested a solution: If they want money for sex they can put some sex tapes on the internet.

Naturally everyone thought he was a jackass including me, but come on it's hilarious.



Who is right? Should the girls at a Catholic university be subsidized for their birth control or should they have to play under the rules they agreed to?

I think common sense would argue buyer beware. If you go to a Catholic University you're going to be under Catholic customs. And maybe she should try to look less French if she doesn't want to be confused with a bargain prostitute. After all, we're at war, these things happen. I don't think the Jesuits are very happy that unmarried young women are going broke because of the birth control costs. I'm not sure they're endorsing the sex period.

[DimeBagHo]

What happened to equal pay for equal work?

[Pontifex Maximus]

The law student at Georgetown can't buy her own pills? Cry me a river.

If you choose to attend a school with beliefs that fly contrary to yours in terms of contraceptives don't attend that school.

[Thorn777]

wait, so limbaugh says something useful?

[PointOfViewGun]

Why should they receive funds for this? I don't get it.

[Col. Tartleton]

Why should they receive funds for this? I don't get it.

The current Obama health plan is to force insurance organizations to cover all the medical costs (birth control maybe abortions I'm not 100% sure on the abortions) for people working or attending school at religious organizations that under the first amendment don't have to pay for plans which go against their conscience. Naturally he "backpedaled" by saying that the churches wouldn't have to pay for it, only their insurance. Unfortunately he failed to mention that a lot of these organizations run their own insurance systems or use insurance groups that share their views and stuff. Regardless the insurance would still raise their rates to make up for it, so obviously they'll wind up paying for it.

It's a cluster. They're going to call Charlie Sheen.

IT'S GOING TO BE A TIGER BLOODBATH!

[PointOfViewGun]

The current Obama health plan is to force insurance organizations to cover all the medical costs for people working or attending school at religious organizations that under the first amendment don't have to pay for plans which go against their conscience. Naturally he "backpedaled" by saying that the churches wouldn't have to pay for it, only their insurance. Unfortunately he failed to mention that a lot of these organizations run their own insurance systems or use insurance groups that share their views and stuff. Regardless the insurance would still raise their rates to make up for it, so obviously they'll wind up paying for it.

So, let's say a student from Georgetown University who is prescribed birth control pills can't get the money from the insurance she's obligated to get via the university?

[Col. Tartleton]

So, let's say a student from Georgetown University who is prescribed birth control pills can't get the money from the insurance she's obligated to get via the university?

She'd have to cover the costs herself or find some way to pay for it outside of her plan. The school doesn't want to pay for that. They don't think she should be using birth control doctrine wise (regardless of the majority view within the church) and as such as the Catholic Church they say nay.

[PointOfViewGun]

She'd have to cover the costs herself or find some way to pay for it outside of her plan. The school doesn't want to pay for that. They don't think she should be using birth control doctrine wise (regardless of the majority view within the church) and as such as the Catholic Church they say nay.

If a doctor prescribes birth control pills then it would mean that they're for medical reasons. I believe birth control pills in general don't require prescription, right? So, a prescription from the doctor can prove the purpose of it. The insurance company shouldn't have to pay for pills or condoms that is to be used for safe sex.

[alhoon]

She'd have to cover the costs herself or find some way to pay for it outside of her plan. The school doesn't want to pay for that. They don't think she should be using birth control doctrine wise (regardless of the majority view within the church) and as such as the Catholic Church they say nay.

Forget Georgetown.

In the other universities in USA they hand free condoms to girls or something? or give them money to buy contraceptive pills?
Because that's what I get from what is being discussed.

Since the above is hardly possible, can someone tell me what is happening in most universities and what is happening in Georgetown?

[Huberto]

The current Obama health plan is to force insurance organizations to cover all the medical costs (birth control maybe abortions I'm not 100% sure on the abortions) for people working or attending school at religious organizations that under the first amendment don't have to pay for plans which go against their conscience.

No one is going to "receive funds." The good Col. here is an anti-abortion, anti-birth control zealot who believes family planning is a sin and therefore shouldn't be part of health care coverage in the U.S. Applauding Rush Limbaugh for calling the Georgetown University student a prostitute only further exposes your hateful extremism.

As a U.S. citizen your presentation here is deploreable and women in the U.S. with the support of men like me will ceaselessly campaign to defeat those of your religious bigotry.

Shameful dispray.

[Col. Tartleton]

No one is going to "receive funds." The good Col. here is an anti-abortion, anti-birth control zealot who believes family planning is a sin and therefore shouldn't be part of health care coverage in the U.S. Applauding Rush Limbaugh for calling the Georgetown University student a prostitute only further exposes your hateful extremism.

As a U.S. citizen your presentation here is deploreable and women in the U.S. with the support of men like me will ceaselessly campaign to defeat those of your religious bigotry.

Shameful dispray.

A. I'm not sure that abortion for convenience is ethical or moral. I'm not going to protest them. I'm not religious. It's been something like 10 years since I've been in a church. I have a vague sense of God as an alternative to nihilism. I think that's pretty standard sane behavior. Something to keep me between Mother Theresa and that Jared Loughner nutjob.

B. I don't think that people should be able to agree to have insurance that doesn't cover birth control and then complain that they agreed to an insurance plan that doesn't cover birth control. I don't think the government should mandate that every plan must include X. It's not exactly hard to get contraceptives and they're pretty affordable at your local Walmart. If they want to have additional insurance for that sort of thing fine, but I feel like that would cost more money. Nothing is free.

C. I wear condoms (usually). I hope girls are on the pill. I have a basic idea why the Catholic Church is against contraception, but I don't practice Catholicism.

D. From listening to her talk I'm not sure she's particularly bright. But I have nothing against her. She seems like the kind of person who would be a know it all in a political science class. Obviously she's not a prostitute. She'd put out after a conversation about Margaret Sanger over a star bucks coffee.

E. I could care less about women's rights. They don't have any women's rights. They have rights. I'll treat them like men. I'll use chummy put downs and mess with them if I like them and ignore them if I don't like them. She'd probably be on ignore.

[rabenschnabel]

If you go to a Catholic University you're going to be under Catholic customs.

That would be old men with young boys. No birth control needed here.

[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

If you weren't aware, Georgetown Grad Student Sandra Fluke went before congress and argued that she and other students should be given funds for birth control and other sex related costs for students at Georgetown which of course is run by the Society of Jesus. She argued that many girls were unfairly subject to thousands of dollars in costs that negatively affected them.

That's how Limbaugh mis-represented the issue - and yes, his presentation was quite hilarious because he is a professional entertainer - and not any one who knows or cares about what is actually happening or did happen.

Fluke argues that since Viagra is covered and several other plans cover birth control, that it would make sense to cover birth control. Considering that unplanned pregnancies and abortions are something that one might want to avoid this sounds like a reasonable request - although some still might say no. Considering, however, that birth control pills (which Limbaugh simply equated with condoms in his show) are prescribed for a whole range of medical issues well beyond simple contraception - it seems asinine that Viagra would be covered but female hormonal treatments (which is what the pill is) would not be. Moreover, if it were a moral issue (it's not - I went to a Jesuit University, they handed out condoms at the orientation) -- but if it were a moral issue, than why cover Viagra? -- In any case, Limbaugh has done what he does best, successfully confused the hell out of a rather simple issue and baffle people so much with that they begin to think he's right.

[PointOfViewGun]

That's how Limbaugh mis-represented the issue - and yes, his presentation was quite hilarious because he is a professional entertainer - and not any one who knows or cares about what is actually happening or did happen.

Fluke argues that since Viagra is covered and several other plans cover birth control, that it would make sense to cover birth control. Considering that unplanned pregnancies and abortions are something that one might want to avoid this sounds like a reasonable request - although some still might say no. Considering, however, that birth control pills (which Limbaugh simply equated with condoms in his show) are prescribed for a whole range of medical issues well beyond simple contraception - it seems asinine that Viagra would be covered but female hormonal treatments (which is what the pill is) would not be. Moreover, if it were a moral issue (it's not - I went to a Jesuit University, they handed out condoms at the orientation) -- but if it were a moral issue, than why cover Viagra? -- In any case, Limbaugh has done what he does best, successfully confused the hell out of a rather simple issue and baffle people so much with that they begin to think he's right.

O'Reilly is doing the same thing on Fox News at the moment asking people "Why should I pay for you recreational sex?"

[Col. Tartleton]

O'Reilly is doing the same thing on Fox News at the moment asking people "Why should I pay for you recreational sex?"

Yeah Adam "ALL THAT IS MAN" Carolla is on.

[nein]

they can just get an abortion, no worries

[alhoon]

I still have no clue what's the issue here.
A grade student went to ask money for contraceptives and they told her "no, it's a religious school we don't give contraceptives for free, although other schools do"... I'm pretty sure I miss something.

Still from what I gathered it's the right of the girls to receive these contraceptives and the school says no based on religious issues. I think that's wrong since not everyone going there holds the same beliefs. They should be encouraged by the school, not enforced.

[PointOfViewGun]

I still have no clue what's the issue here.
A grade student went to ask money for contraceptives and they told her "no, it's a religious school we don't give contraceptives for free, although other schools do"... I'm pretty sure I miss something.

Still from what I gathered it's the right of the girls to receive these contraceptives and the school says no based on religious issues. I think that's wrong since not everyone going there holds the same beliefs. They should be encouraged by the school, not enforced.

Here is the deal: All students are required to have insurance through the university, with cases of exception existing. The students at Georgetown University are denied the insurance coverage of medical contraception. So, you're a student at Georgetown University and your doctor finds cysts and prescribes you birth control pills. The insurance you have through Georgetown would not give you the money for those pills. The Republicans on the other hand lies blatantly to make it sound like they want to the insurance to cover their daily use of contraception for recreational sex.

Wait Georgetown University is a Catholic school or is there some other university there I don't know about?

Their affiliation is Roman Catholic. Why?

[lordoftheT]

Their affiliation is Roman Catholic. Why?

Oh I was just curious and also I mixed it up George Washington University when I wrote that post.