Revenge of the Nazis

[Octavius Valorius]

Have you noticed the emergence of neo-Nazi groups in the U.S. and abroad? There's even a singing duet of sisters who wear hitler smiley face shirts. Even a group of six-grade dorks in my middle school who did the hitler sign in the middle of the hallway. You think the Nazis will return to power in the U.S.?

[RusskiSoldat]

For them to return to power, they have to be in power in the first place.

[Octavius Valorius]

For them to return to power, they have to be in power in the first place.

Hmmm, I have to disagree, you can gain power and return to power without having any power.

[Ravenblade]

Well i dont know about them returning to power but it is possible that they will become more common an if they where to come to power again i think it would be more likely to be in somewhere like the USA an not in Germany. I think the majority of the German people are ashamed of that period in there history atleast the younger generation.

I cant remember if this is true or not but is there laws in Germany banning things to do with the Nazis?

[Shaun]

Well i dont know about them returning to power but it is possible that they will become more common an if they where to come to power again i think it would be more likely to be in somewhere like the USA an not in Germany. I think the majority of the German people are ashamed of that period in there history atleast the younger generation.

I cant remember if this is true or not but is there laws in Germany banning things to do with the Nazis?

Correct, Berlin is one of the most liberal places on Earth, and Nazi symbols are banned in Germany now also, so a Nazi uprising in Germany is very unlikely now.

[Atheist Peace]

For them to return to power, they have to be in power in the first place.

It's impossible to be returning to power, when one already has it. To return is to come back to, to regain (in this case), if something is already held, it cannot be gained or re-gained.

That makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense. One can return to power without having it (in fact, referring to what I typed above, one must not have it).

[orange slice]

Of course not, 100 kids that are Nazis are not going to take over the US, but if it was close to like 1 million then maybe they would gain some power, and take over the US, but i think the Nazis have been permentally dead for decades.

[Shaun]

Well the KKK were sorta Nazis, and they did theoretically have a bit of power...

Hmmm, I have to disagree, you can gain power and return to power without having any power.

That makes no sense.

[hsimoorb]

I still don't understand why the neo-nazis don't shed the whole swastika/heil hitler image and form thier own actual organization. If they realy wanted to be taken seriously it would seem like the first thing they would do. It's not like National Socialism actualy has anything to do with the whole Mein Kampf thing. If they wanted to make a party that was national socialism but DIDN'T preach the destruction of the jews, maybe they would be such goofballs.

But maybe they are just a bunch of bigot fools. That's probaly more likely than actualy thoughfull political activists.

[akanoez]

I still don't understand why the neo-nazis don't shed the whole swastika/heil hitler image and form thier own actual organization. If they realy wanted to be taken seriously it would seem like the first thing they would do. It's not like National Socialism actualy has anything to do with the whole Mein Kampf thing. If they wanted to make a party that was national socialism but DIDN'T preach the destruction of the jews, maybe they would be such goofballs.

But maybe they are just a bunch of bigot fools. That's probaly more likely than actualy thoughfull political activists.

i think the whole attire and iconography is part of why people are attracted to it, and why it would be important to gaining more followers, it helps create a bond between members, wether it be a gang, association, club of any kind.
the flags, symbols, demeanor, the look.
it's part of the aesthetisizing of ideology, also known as ... yep, you guessed it, fascism.

[Octavius Valorius]

Then lets put this to a vote. Who thinks the neo-Nazis should be exterminated? All in favor say I. I. I'm only saying this because I enjoy the genocide of groups that shouldn't exist. I'm more of a worldwide scale of The Punisher.

[Sétanta]

Then lets put this to a vote. Who thinks the neo-Nazis should be exterminated? All in favor say I. I. I'm only saying this because I enjoy the genocide of groups that shouldn't exist. I'm more of a worldwide scale of The Punisher.

Then you are no better than the Nazis. You want a genocide of Nazis, the Nazis want a genocide of Jews. That puts you on the same level.

[Last Roman]

. It's not like National Socialism actualy has anything to do with the whole Mein Kampf thing. If they wanted to make a party that was national socialism but DIDN'T preach the destruction of the jews, maybe they would be such goofballs.

they use Nazi as a name to relate themselves to Hitler's belief in supremacy of the "Aryan Race." It has nothing to do with nationalist socialism.

[wilpuri]

Actually national socialism, as Hitler's creation, does have a major racial aspect in it. Hitler's platform was/is National Socialism, just as Fascism is really only the Italian variant of corporativism in the same way that Falangism is the Spanish movement.

[Last Roman]

Actually national socialism, as Hitler's creation, does have a major racial aspect in it. Hitler's platform was/is National Socialism, just as Fascism is really only the Italian variant of corporativism in the same way that Falangism is the Spanish movement.

What I meant is that neo-nazi groups in the US don't use the socialist aspect, only the racial theories.

[Romanos]

Yea Nazi will never and hear me never returne to power to any country


I remember a goth at my school tried to be cool so he started to salute(Hitler),and draw a swastika on the chalk board five seconds later he done after taking four punches in the stomach.

[Octavius Valorius]

Well the KKK were sorta Nazis, and they did theoretically have a bit of power...



That makes no sense.

Yea the KKK's bit of power was the number of followers. Influence is true power.

[Shaun]

Yea the KKK's bit of power was the number of followers. Influence is true power.

Well their members included senators, and even non members were a bit racist as well at this time, so im guessing that they had quite a lot of influence.

[purple elf]

true they were one of the largest organisations in the US at one point it even had senators in it

[Stalins Ghost]

No, Nazism will never return in any country with a full knowledge of what it became. On the other hand National Socialism could (I know, I know an oxymoron of sorts, bare with me). Principles of people working towards the greater good of their country is an alluring prospect whenever things look down- and who knows when "dark days" are coming. But we will not see another Hitler-esque, anti-semite "Nazi" movement in the west in my opinion.

Neo-Nazi groups are just bunches of radicals trying to use but one aspect of Nazism in Germany to justify racial hatred.