Cavalry running through spears, infantry running through spears?

[The_Paperbag]

Hi, I know this is probably very secret, I was hoping though that one or two people will be able to tell me how to preform that, are there any other great micromanaging tricks? If there are, can someone explain how to use them (how to do)? I saw the other thread about this but none explained, so I'm retrying.


Thanks ahead, Paper.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

The infantry exoloits and the cavalry exploits are not the same trick )))

[The_Paperbag]

I know, I was asking for both. Aren't they the same idea though?

Thanks ahead again.

[roam]

I presume your referring to your cavalry/infantry running through your opponents spears so they get into the phalanx and force the phalanx to engage you with swords which are much weaker, and hence let your troops win (since they are meant for that kind of thing-if they are not then you are using phalanxes, and you should consider giving up rtw)

Firstly, no it really is not the same thing. If you try what I think you are referring too with cavalry, you are going to get a lot of dead horses. This because those phalanxes have spears, and any spear armed unit gets a MASSIVE bonus in attack vs cavalry. It is at least +16 attack vs cavalry.

When you take into account that this trick is only really effective with urbans, due to their high defence value, and that most cavalry units have lower defence values than urbans, I think you realise why it ain't gonna work.

In regards to cavalry, it is pointless anyway. Essentially, you can charge a cataphract head on at a SB inf unit and it will rape it in the melee. The charge will carry the cav unit over the spears, so unless your opponent reforms his phalanx, the cata wins.
Praetorians and cappas should do the same thing, but don't expect them to beat the spear unit. They are much weaker than catas.
Any other cav will have too low a defence value to make it effective. Stick to flank attacks, or multiple cav encircling.

In regards to infantry...I'm not going to tell you, because it is classed as a 'trick,' and that therefore makes it exclusive property of HoS.

[Magic_8_Ball]

With infantry, you can engage, click past a pike unit, and then re-attack so your units go a few ranks deeper. It's not used that often though, and you'll often lose a lot of infantry while running through. Unless HoS has some trick I haven't heard of, this is all I can think of with non-spear infantry.

[roam]

With infantry, you can engage, click past a pike unit, and then re-attack so your units go a few ranks deeper. It's not used that often though, and you'll often lose a lot of infantry while running through. Unless HoS has some trick I haven't heard of, this is all I can think of with non-spear infantry.

You won't lose many urbans...i've never lost more than a few

[TheFoolOnTheHill]

even without running through the urbans will destroy all inf

[roam]

even without running through the urbans will destroy all inf

It will take a long time to destroy even unupped sb inf if they can't get round the spears...the sb would be capable of holding long enough for a carthaginian player to beat your cav for example.

Sb inf+Sb cav=very dead urbans

[TheFoolOnTheHill]

pretorians can stall for a long time and triarii can come and kill them

[roam]

pretorians can stall for a long time and triarii can come and kill them

Firstly, triarii are useless in many situations and you are better off with a unit of roman cav or equite, who at least can perform a flank charge or chase down archers--neither of which triarii can do very well, because they are slow.
Secondly, you are wasting cash bringing triarii vs carthage. They will never be properly applied, and their effect will be minimal, especially when you consider that a unit of equites properly deployed could perform the same function as the triarii but succeed in chain routing all the carthaginian cav.

And if you get a decent charge off with the sb cav, and then flank, what is usually a numerically insuperior cavalry force (rome is more expensive than carthage in all respects unless Carthage brought balearics, but bringing balearics isn't a good idea).
So you are suggesting that your 4/5 g/g praes are going to hold against my 6 g/g sb cav with 2 light cav units for flanking long enough for your slow slow triarii to get their asses in position and kill more than a couple of men?

Now consider that I would probably have a few of poeni in support of my cav...

[Lancy]

Cavalry running through spears probably means charging them, and once they drop their spears, charging through the unit, causing them to route faster.

If you try and charge through them when the spears are still up your cavalry will get ripped to pieces.

Neither of these two tricks are secret so far as I know, especially the infantry one has been common knowledge for years.

[roam]

Cavalry running through spears probably means charging them, and once they drop their spears, charging through the unit, causing them to route faster.

If you try and charge through them when the spears are still up your cavalry will get ripped to pieces.

Neither of these two tricks are secret so far as I know, especially the infantry one has been common knowledge for years.

Computers have been around for years but you don't see microsoft giving their property away for free.

Why should HoS give away its exclusive property?

[Lancy]

Computers have been around for years but you don't see microsoft giving their property away for free.

Why should HoS give away its exclusive property?

I'm not saying they should.

It's true, these have been mentioned in a lot of public places by now. Random clanless newbies (and they played like newbies) even randomly mention wedge charging to me sometimes, it's become so common.

[Magic_8_Ball]

Lancer is in your clan, Roam. Both of these "tricks" are common knowledge and have been mentioned all over this forum. Infantry run-through has been around before HoS and Cavalry beating spears head on was heavily publicized around the time Varus came back.

[Chris Death]

Ya know - when people start talking about something that does exist - others may find
a way to figure out how it works - about secrets you don't talk if you want to keep it hidden.

~S~ CD

[|-HoS-|-Zeke]

Unless HoS has some trick I haven't heard of

Yes.

[roam]

Lancer is in your clan, Roam. Both of these "tricks" are common knowledge and have been mentioned all over this forum. Infantry run-through has been around before HoS and Cavalry beating spears head on was heavily publicized around the time Varus came back.

Pretty sure Microsoft computers are common :p
Still ain't giving them away for free

[Magic_8_Ball]

So HoS ought to declare war on Sith for having the Wedge Charge as part of their training system? It's stolen property, after all.

[|-HoS-|-Zeke]

Who cares about CT, that's ancient. I publicized like 2 years ago. It's not a secret.

[|Sith| Max]

Hi, I know this is probably very secret, I was hoping though that one or two people will be able to tell me how to preform that, are there any other great micromanaging tricks? If there are, can someone explain how to use them (how to do)? I saw the other thread about this but none explained, so I'm retrying.


Thanks ahead, Paper.

as aforementioned, once your swordsmen have collided with the enemy phalanx, give a run order behind the phalanx. once enough men have run trough the spears, give an attack order again. done.

Computers have been around for years but you don't see microsoft giving their property away for free.

Why should HoS give away its exclusive property?

Exclusive, hardly. The infantry running trough phalanxes thing is hardly intellectual property, every clan worth noting knows it, as well as The Wedge Trick, The Catabox, Integrated phalanxes, The Porcupine, The Magic trick, Skirmisher herding, Phalanx reordering(Or re-pike as it is known to other clans), Inf nets and The Spanish Trick Some clans know some, some clans know others, some clans know most There is always some micro trick waiting to be discovered.

Either way, Considering that you are most likely on the payroll of the copyright enforcing companies, I guess a demonstration of proper solidarity with newer players is required.
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So HoS ought to declare war on Sith for having the Wedge Charge as part of their training system? It's stolen property, after all.

Zeke gave the information on the Wedge charge trick to me as a sign of friendship back in either 2008 or 2009, when both of us were still playing with each other a lot. Hardly a reason to go to war a good four years later.