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    Reporting from Jerusalem— Instability in Syria poses stark security risks for Israel, but it also offers a chance to deliver a stinging blow toIran's regional ambitions and even its nuclear program, Israel's former national security advisor says.

    Israel in recent weeks has been consumed by a debate over the wisdom of launching a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. But Efraim Halevy, who also led the Mossad spy agency from 1998 to 2002, believes Israel should also focus on exploiting the opportunity to strike Iran politically and diplomatically through the fall of Syrian President Bashar Assad, a staunch ally of Iran.

    In an interview with the Los Angeles Times, Halevy, now a leading intelligence analyst here, said Israel should start to look at Iran and Syria as two sides of the same problem.

    You've called Syria the Achilles' heel of Iran. What do you mean?

    Iran has invested enormous efforts in trying to secure Syria as a major partner. The Alawite [Muslim] minority is very close to the Shiites in Iran. The Syrian army is mainly based on Alawite command and has units that are purely Alawite. This makes the Iranian investment all the more important.

    Syria is also the conduit for Iran's arming of the Hezbollah Shiite forces in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza. If the regime falls in Syria and the Iranians are expelled, this is going to be a horrendous defeat for Iran....

    How does Israel ensure that Iran is defeated in Syria? Wouldn't it backfire if Israel were seen to be involved?

    Israel shouldn't be directly involved for obvious reasons. Once Israel enters the fray, this becomes an Israeli-Arab or Israeli-Muslim confrontation, which deflects attention from the main issues of Sunni-Shiite, and the Shiite repression of a majority in a foreign country. Israel should promote through its channels with major powers in the world a dialogue between leaders in Western nations and Russia to try to forge a common policy on Syria, which would entail mutual concessions at the American and Russian level.

    Recently Israel has been very focused on Iran's nuclear program and the debate over a strike. It is doing enough on Syria?

    I don't have any evidence that Israel is working on this, but I hope some work is being done. Israel has certain interests in Syria which have to be taken into account. The ultimate resolution of this crisis should not leave an Iranian presence in Syria with a weakened Assad. I don't want to see Iran having its own finger on the button of Syria's strategic weapons. Israel must make sure this does not happen.

    You've said that a defeat in Syria would deal a blow to Iran's nuclear program. Why?

    The issue of Syria and of Iran's nuclear capability are interconnected. You cannot divorce them. Iran's effort to achieve nuclear capability and its effort to entrench itself in Syria are part of the same multifaceted regional problem. One of the mistakes we've made up to this point is to deal with these issues separately.

    Not that long ago, many in Israel were quietly hoping Assad's regime would survive because he's predictable in his relations with Israel and is the "devil you know." With reports that Al Qaeda-linked terrorists might be seeking a stronghold in Syria, do you worry that Assad might be replaced with an extremist Sunni regime that is even more hostile toward Israel?

    I don't think this is in the cards. The way things are at present, any replacement of Assad is better.

    Even an extremist Sunni regime?

    The Sunnis have been oppressed by the Alawites. They are looking for freedom and dignity and all the things of the "Arab Spring." They won't come to power in order to launch an effort against Israel. Their immediate concerns would be to stabilize the situation inside Syria and move as quickly as possible to alleviate the pressure on the society.

    There have been a lot of fears that Assad might try to move Syria's arsenal of chemical weapons and sophisticated missiles to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Though everyone is talking about a military strike against Iran, what are the chances of such an Israeli strike in Syria to prevent weapons from falling into the wrong hands?

    I don't want to preempt Israeli operations or planning. All I can say is that there are certain things, if carried out in Syria or Lebanon, that would be matters of grave concern to Israel, and Israel would not be able to accept.
    I agree with this guy. Israel may benefit a lot from the eventual fall of Assad because Iran would face the loss of a puppet.

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    I think it could affect them negatively if an islamist group comes into power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    I think it could affect them negatively if an islamist group comes into power.
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    I heard this director's codename was Captain Obvious



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    Default Re: Israel could benefit from the fall of the Assad regime weakening Iran and Hezbollah according to the former Director of the Mossad

    Because Turkey and Saudi Arabia, which are primary supporters of "free" Syrian Army are huge Israel fans.

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    Default Re: Israel could benefit from the fall of the Assad regime weakening Iran and Hezbollah according to the former Director of the Mossad

    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Because Turkey and Saudi Arabia, which are primary supporters of "free" Syrian Army are huge Israel fans.
    Fixed for you. Saudi Arabia does not like Israel. They don't even recognize them was a country. I wouldn't call Saudi Arabia a fan of Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Fixed for you. Saudi Arabia does not like Israel. they don't even recognize them was a country. I wouldn't call Saudi Arabia a fan of Israel.
    i think he was being sarcastic. I wouldnt even call Turkey a fan of Israel currently after Israel bravely killed those heavily armed Turks on that flotilla to Gaza.




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    Default Re: Israel could benefit from the fall of the Assad regime weakening Iran and Hezbollah according to the former Director of the Mossad

    The fall of a country that, if I remember correctly, is still technically at with Israel, will be good for Israel.

    Forgive me, but it doesn't take a genius to work that out.
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    Not really news. Obviously Israel stands to benefit from Iran's ally Assad being overthrown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    Not really news. Obviously Israel stands to benefit from Iran's ally Assad being overthrown.
    May even help them consolidate their grip on the Golan Hights, With Syria up in a heap who is going to push Syria,s claim.?

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    Now that Libya's gone and Syria looks like it's about to, where do we send the detainees for enhanced interrogation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    Now that Libya's gone and Syria looks like it's about to, where do we send the detainees for enhanced interrogation?
    Saudi, duh

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    Default Re: Israel could benefit from the fall of the Assad regime weakening Iran and Hezbollah according to the former Director of the Mossad

    In a foreign conflict that ultimately involves internal struggle and civil war, just like in criminal cases, one should suspect first of those who benefit the most of said conflict. Given the information we've got about US/British/Israeli funding and financially supporting mercenary goups and diverse organizations inside Syria, thus escalating the civil war, the deal is sealed.

    And maintaining that they're only there to 'liberate the poor, oppressed Syrian people from their evil murderous dictator' remains extremely hypocritical. They're fueling the fire to further their own agendas, meddling and damaging the stability of the region as they've been doing for decades now. Divide and conquer, basically. Assad is just another actor to eliminate before the real prey is isolated, strangled, and finally subdued.
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    Default Re: Israel could benefit from the fall of the Assad regime weakening Iran and Hezbollah according to the former Director of the Mossad

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Rushd View Post
    In a foreign conflict that ultimately involves internal struggle and civil war, just like in criminal cases, one should suspect first of those who benefit the most of said conflict. Given the information we've got about US/British/Israeli funding and financially supporting mercenary goups and diverse organizations inside Syria, thus escalating the civil war, the deal is sealed.

    And maintaining that they're only there to 'liberate the poor, oppressed Syrian people from their evil murderous dictator' remains extremely hypocritical. They're fueling the fire to further their own agendas, meddling and damaging the stability of the region as they've been doing for decades now. Divide and conquer, basically. Assad is just another actor to eliminate before the real prey is isolated, strangled, and finally subdued.
    I would would put in differently it is an internal struggle inspired by the Arab Spring drawing in all the foreign powers that have interests. Russia and China have deliberately misread the situation and it is they who have fuelled the fire leading to more violence which is now opening along sectarian fault lines.

    The Assad regime and regimes like this survive by brute force but perhaps more importantly also by division and fear, this could be economic, ethnic or religious. unfortunately when a regime like this begins to falter those divisions and fears nurtured by the regime can explode into violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Rushd View Post
    In a foreign conflict that ultimately involves internal struggle and civil war, just like in criminal cases, one should suspect first of those who benefit the most of said conflict. Given the information we've got about US/British/Israeli funding and financially supporting mercenary goups and diverse organizations inside Syria, thus escalating the civil war, the deal is sealed.

    And maintaining that they're only there to 'liberate the poor, oppressed Syrian people from their evil murderous dictator' remains extremely hypocritical. They're fueling the fire to further their own agendas, meddling and damaging the stability of the region as they've been doing for decades now. Divide and conquer, basically. Assad is just another actor to eliminate before the real prey is isolated, strangled, and finally subdued.
    So because one group you happen to not like might benefit from an event, it MUST be a conspiracy. I see.

    Nevermind that Lebanese as a whole would benefit from the decline of Syria, the decline of Iranian influence, and the decline of Hezbollah. Nevermind that Palestinians as a whole would benefit from the decline of arms trafficking to Gaza through Syria and the consistent hijacking of rhetoric on the Palestinian side from Hamas. Let's just focus on what the Jewish guy says, because it's convenient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Nevermind that Lebanese as a whole would benefit from the decline of Syria, the decline of Iranian influence, and the decline of Hezbollah. Nevermind that Palestinians as a whole would benefit from the decline of arms trafficking to Gaza through Syria and the consistent hijacking of rhetoric on the Palestinian side from Hamas. Let's just focus on what the Jewish guy says, because it's convenient.
    but if the Hezb, Syria or Iran dont help protect Lebanon, Israel will just occupy it for a new reason. They've been attacked about 8 times over the last 30 years by Israel. It maybe more. Lebanon's independence depends on the donations of patriots and patrons.




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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    So because one group you happen to not like might benefit from an event, it MUST be a conspiracy. I see.

    Nevermind that Lebanese as a whole would benefit from the decline of Syria, the decline of Iranian influence, and the decline of Hezbollah. Nevermind that Palestinians as a whole would benefit from the decline of arms trafficking to Gaza through Syria and the consistent hijacking of rhetoric on the Palestinian side from Hamas. Let's just focus on what the Jewish guy says, because it's convenient.
    Heh.

    So Mossad, CIA, and MI6 covert operations in the region are to be now dismissed as 'conspiracy theories'? We are witnessing a serious, foreign-backed attempt at regime change and you should know by now where the main funding, propaganda and arming comes from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Rushd View Post
    We are witnessing a serious, foreign-backed attempt at regime change and you should know by now where the main funding, propaganda and arming comes from.
    Iran supports Assad and the Alewite minority to the point of making this country an Iranian puppet. If there is a foreign influence that is suppressing the will of Syrians this comes from Iran not from Israel/US/EU.

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    It wont stop whatever Syrian group that takes over hating Israel like what happened in Egypt.
    No democracy in Egypt or Libya or Syria.
    Just people who hate Jews.
    Assad the ass is a evil man but he is not directly going to war with Israel the next guy may do so over the Golan heights.

    Assad can put this Israeli guys words in the national papers and use him as propaganda to the mob.He can say the rebels are backed by Israeli spys and the local sheep herders will lap this up like puppys drinking mommys milk.This intelligence guy should have the intelligence to shut the hell up.
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    What if democracy arrives and some islamists take over?
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