Iran Refuses Inspection of Sites

[Sir Winston Churchill]

VIENNA (Reuters) - The U.N. nuclear watchdog said on Wednesday it had failed to secure an agreement with Iran during two days of talks over disputed atomic activities and that the Islamic Republic had rejected a request to visit a key military site.

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"What nuclear weapons? We have nothing to hide!"

"Ok just let us check in and-"

"NO!"

An admission of guilt if I've ever seen one.

[(s)AINT]

Who gives a ? Why do we always have to with that country about their internal affairs?

All I hear now is how Iran has nukes and they need to be invaded and attacked. I am so sick of all this war mongering going on recently. Stop it.

[Admiral Piett]

Yeah, who cares if some crazy theocracy gets nuclear weapons and starts an arms race with the rest of the ME.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Who gives a ? Why do we always have to with that country about their internal affairs?.

I'm a bit unsettled by the thought of having an authoritarian theocracy with the ability to destroy large tracts of civilization just because in their own crazy little minds it seems like a good idea.

But then again, I see your point. It isn't as if iran has expressed a desire to completely wipe nations off the face of the earth...OH WAIT.

[Seether]

Who gives a ? Why do we always have to with that country about their internal affairs?

Umm... probably because they are a signatory of the NPT?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...eration_Treaty

[Inconsistent]

I'm sure the usual suspects will still find ways to explain this away.

And very few here are calling for invasions, stop exaggerating. The majority are just repeating that there's a reason for the sanctions, and that more should be applied.

[s.rwitt]

INTERNAL AFFAIRS FF JEEZ.

[Sphere]

Who gives a ? Why do we always have to with that country about their internal affairs?

When a countries internal affairs look like this ...

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...and they seem intent on developing nuclear weapons. I don't see the need to apologize for caring.

But then again, if a country as bad as North Korea can have nuclear weapons, I guess Iran should have them too. It is only logical.

[Admiral Piett]

INTERNAL AFFAIRS FF JEEZ.

I forget myself sometimes, man. I just think too much from my phallus and not from my heart. Obviously since North Korea has them, Iran can have them too. Hell, let's give the Mongolians some too. They're a better ally than the Chinese.

[s.rwitt]

When a countries internal affairs look like this ...

Or this

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[Phier]

About 2 years ago I predicted bombing this october, so far I'm not feeling I can back off from this other then add perhaps September.

[bushbush]

About 2 years ago I predicted bombing this october, so far I'm not feeling I can back off from this other then add perhaps September.

unlikely. Bombing Iran will cause oil price to spike, not to mention Iran will retaliate against Israel and US will have to step in. It will be a mess.

Most likely scenario is keep tightening Iran through the sanctions. They are starting to bite. Banning their banks from SWIFT is a huge step. Cutting them off EU oil export is another. Iran's economy is in deep trouble now.

[s.rwitt]

I forget myself sometimes, man. I just think too much from my phallus and not from my heart. Obviously since North Korea has them, Iran can have them too. Hell, let's give the Mongolians some too. They're a better ally than the Chinese.

Well, the Pakistanis have them and it's not like the Taliban have come within 60 miles of their capital over the past few weeks or whatever so yeah, why not?

[Sphere]

unlikely. Bombing Iran will cause oil price to spike, not to mention Iran will retaliate against Israel and US will have to step in. It will be a mess.

Most likely scenario is keep tightening Iran through the sanctions. They are starting to bite. Banning their banks from SWIFT is a huge step. Cutting them off EU oil export is another. Iran's economy is in deep trouble now.

Also the first elections since the 2009 demonstrations are coming up in March. The US has worked hard to put the Iranian regime in a precarious position, and nobody knows what is going to happen come March. All of this work would be tossed out the window if actual military hostilities broke out, and the regime could actually claim to be battling a foreign imperialists to garner popular support.

Sanctions seem to be really biting hard as of right now, and I think the US and the Europeans are content to let them stew for a while.

[bushbush]

Also the first elections since the 2009 demonstrations are coming up in March. The US has worked hard to put the Iranian regime in a precarious position, and nobody knows what is going to happen come March. All of this work would be tossed out the window if actual military hostilities broke out, and the regime could actually claim to be battling a foreign imperialists to garner popular support.

Sanctions seem to be really biting hard as of right now, and I think the US and the Europeans are content to let them stew for a while.

Life is much tougher for ordinary Iranians since 2009. Their currency has become worthless. Price of goods on the other hand jumped many times because of sanction. People are hoarding goods because price goes up so fast. The government also has cut subsidies to the poor in order to fund the nuclear program.

The next demonstration for Iran will be worse than 2009. US might step in at that time. That seems to be the Obama doctrine thus far...

[Jedi1]

Full story: http://news.yahoo.com/u-n-nuclear-wa...004927206.html

"What nuclear weapons? We have nothing to hide!"

"Ok just let us check in and-"

"NO!"

An admission of guilt if I've ever seen one.

Or perhaps not. Lets have a closer look at the site in question, that being military (not nuclear) site at Parchin.

According to wiki for Parchin

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"Parchin is an Iranian military complex, located about 30 km southeast of Tehran. To the northwest of Parchin in the Barjamali Hills, a test range for liquid-propellant missile engines is part of the Shahid Hemat Industrial Group (SHIG) research facility, where signature of engine test stand firing probably including technology from the Russian SS-4 "Sandal" missile was confirmed by American spy satellite August, 1997."

"Allegedly [2] the site was for producing HMX, a high-powered explosive needed for non-nuclear "lenses" to trigger nuclear implosion devices. Although under the NPT rules Iran is not required to allow inspectors into its military bases, on January 13, 2005, IAEA inspectors were allowed partial access to the Parchin military base as a confidence building measure. [3] The IAEA’s February 2006 report [4] notes that "The Agency did not observe any unusual activities in the buildings visited, and the results of the analysis of environmental samples did not indicate the presence of nuclear material at those locations." Visual inspection showed that sites were not as capable as suggested by satellite imagery. [5]"

To sum up, its a missile testing site suspected of use for development of explosives that could be used for detonators, or civilian purposes. Iran is not required to let the IAEA in, allowed partial access anyway in 2005 and they found nothing. Now they want to look again, and Iran is quite within its rights to refuse as it is a military facility, used for sensitive research. Not exactly the damning indictment you describe.

[Sadreddine]

Or perhaps not. Lets have a closer look at the site in question, that being military (not nuclear) site at Parchin.

According to wiki for Parchin

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

"Parchin is an Iranian military complex, located about 30 km southeast of Tehran. To the northwest of Parchin in the Barjamali Hills, a test range for liquid-propellant missile engines is part of the Shahid Hemat Industrial Group (SHIG) research facility, where signature of engine test stand firing probably including technology from the Russian SS-4 "Sandal" missile was confirmed by American spy satellite August, 1997."

"Allegedly [2] the site was for producing HMX, a high-powered explosive needed for non-nuclear "lenses" to trigger nuclear implosion devices. Although under the NPT rules Iran is not required to allow inspectors into its military bases, on January 13, 2005, IAEA inspectors were allowed partial access to the Parchin military base as a confidence building measure. [3] The IAEA’s February 2006 report [4] notes that "The Agency did not observe any unusual activities in the buildings visited, and the results of the analysis of environmental samples did not indicate the presence of nuclear material at those locations." Visual inspection showed that sites were not as capable as suggested by satellite imagery. [5]"

To sum up, its a missile testing site suspected of use for development of explosives that could be used for detonators, or civilian purposes. Iran is not required to let the IAEA in, allowed partial access anyway in 2005 and they found nothing. Now they want to look again, and Iran is quite within its rights to refuse as it is a military facility, used for sensitive research. Not exactly the damning indictment you describe.

This.

And no one still answered. People are so easily brainwashed and zombified by the manipulated 'western' media they don't even bother to research if what they are being led to think is even remotely reasonable or trustworthy.

It's very understandable of Iran to not let a UN/NATO arm inside one of their military bases before a potential strike from the same forces behind such an inspection. Iran has very legitimate reasons to think that in fact IAEA inspections' leaked info led to the death of many if not all of its assassinated scientists. They are in their right to suspect that the wolf might come disguised as a sheep again.

[legate]

This.

And no one still answered. People are so easily brainwashed and zombified by the manipulated 'western' media they don't even bother to research if what they are being led to think is even remotely reasonable or trustworthy.

It's very understandable of Iran to not let a UN/NATO arm inside one of their military bases before a potential strike from the same forces behind such an inspection. Iran has very legitimate reasons to think that in fact IAEA inspections' leaked info led to the death of many if not all of its assassinated scientists. They are in their right to suspect that the wolf might come disguised as a sheep again.

Very true. However nobody will take notice.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

This.

And no one still answered. People are so easily brainwashed and zombified by the manipulated 'western' media they don't even bother to research if what they are being led to think is even remotely reasonable or trustworthy.

It's very understandable of Iran to not let a UN/NATO arm inside one of their military bases before a potential strike from the same forces behind such an inspection. Iran has very legitimate reasons to think that in fact IAEA inspections' leaked info led to the death of many if not all of its assassinated scientists. They are in their right to suspect that the wolf might come disguised as a sheep again.

Iran has announced itself it has uranium with a 19.8% U-235 content. That's enough to build a nuclear bomb. Enriching uranium that much is expensive, a reactor only requires 4-6% U-235. Why would they enrich it to nearly 20% then? That's so high it would damage some reactors.

They are manufacturing HMX at that military facity, which is written off as "for detonators or civilian purposes". HMX is an incredibely hard to manufacture and expensive explosive that is not used in civilian applications. Its most famous application is in nuclear implosion lenses for which it is highly suited.

They have the missiles, they have the uranium, they have the detonation mechanism. They just need to assemble a warhead and they're away.

[Heinz Guderian]

Iran has announced itself it has uranium with a 19.8% U-235 content. That's enough to build a nuclear bomb. Enriching uranium that much is expensive, a reactor only requires 4-6% U-235. Why would they enrich it to nearly 20% then? That's so high it would damage some reactors.

They are manufacturing HMX at that military facity, which is written off as "for detonators or civilian purposes". HMX is an incredibely rare, hard to manufacture and expensive explosive that is not used in civilian applications. Its only applicated besides nuclear implosion lenses is in naval guns.

to achieve critical mass in the detonation of a nuclear device, you need 90%+ enrichment. Many countries enrich to 20% for use in medical isotopes (an important newish field in medicine), research, and the ability to keep a stock to "dilute" down to feed other reactors.

They have the missiles, they have the uranium, they have the detonation mechanism. They just need to assemble a warhead and they're away.

Even though i disagree that they have the detonators and the enriched uranium, this is also the case for 30 or so other countries in the world. Why should Iran be singled out?