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    Default Cannot achieve Arnor

    DOH! I've got everything except building a house of kings in the old capital, and i cannot get that because my population has stopped @ 25700 when I need 26000 to go the top level. I've had gandalf and Aragorn as city admin but population isn't going any higher! ARRGGH!

    Is there an item or ring that i can give to Aragorn to bump up population growth?

    BTW, i'm playing on H/VH

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    Default Re: Cannot achieve Arnor

    Have you low taxes? Sometimes by the time I have House of Kings, there are some generals who are better off in cities and others that are better off in castles. You could gather all your generals and give them the admin one at a time to see which one gives a population boost.

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    open console and type add_population Annuminas 300 or find a general with 7 chivalry and traits that lower squalor.Or you could re-enable some of the ancillaries that lower squalor(ex.arcitect,artist).hf
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    That happened to me aswell once! I had 25800, built everything that could increase pop growth, low taxes, Aragorn in, and the population just stopped growing when i just needed 200 people. I even recruited some units in bree and sent them to annuminas and disband them but it didn't work. Eventually i just cheated and added the 200 pop

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    Rorarii,
    All that hard work on H/VH with no cheating, sounds like youve done everything you can.
    Im sure nobody would begrudge you that "add_population Annuminas 300" . ;.)
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    How much Chivalry does Aragorn have(It better be max)? Have you got Alliances with everyone you can? The extra trade bump might add some more growth, as trade above a certain level adds to growth. There are some retinue that do anti-squalour. See if you can't put them on him if they aren't already there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodly View Post
    The extra trade bump might add some more growth, as trade above a certain level adds to growth.
    Is this true? If yes, what's the exact level of trade you need to reach to trigger the extra growth?

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    add_population Annuminas 300 lol. Seriously though I have a hard time with Arnor too.

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    Well I'm not against cheating to add that last bit of population- if you have low taxes, the cattle farming, council chambers, and crop rotation upgrades, and a 7+ chivalry general without a bunch of really negative anti-growth traits (look for positive squalor though I doubt that even has an effect anymore in 3.1), then there's no way you should have a problem getting Annuminas to a large city. You're doing something wrong that's probably affecting the speed at which all your cities are growing.

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    Remember you can transfer ancillaries. Check all your generals for good ancillaries and transfer them to the governor of Annuminas. Keep in mind ancillaries are limited to eight I think, so transfer away any unnecessary ones. That might just give you the bump you need.
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    Actually there is no ancillary that gives pop growth or reduces squalor in vannila 3.1.
    Specifically architech and artist used to reduce squalor but they dont anymore.You could re-enable the squalor decrease on those two by editing the desc_ancillaries-just delete the ";" in the squalor lines.hf
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    Default Re: Cannot achieve Arnor

    Quote Originally Posted by Nemesis_GR View Post
    Actually there is no ancillary that gives pop growth or reduces squalor in vannila 3.1.
    Specifically architech and artist used to reduce squalor but they dont anymore.You could re-enable the squalor decrease on those two by editing the desc_ancillaries-just delete the ";" in the squalor lines.hf

    Also, the KindRuler and GoodBuilder traits no longer affect squalor as they did previously, the first rank in each has no effect on squalor, while the second and third ranks give -1 and -2.

    I think that squalor now scales at 1500 pop., so you'd have 17 blocks(8.5 %) at 25,500 pop., before any other factors.

    I have yet to play Eriador past 20 turns or so in 3.1, has anyone sucessfully achieved Arnor in totally untweaked, vanilla 3.1, without using a console command? I've seen the AI do it in 3 games so far, twice with the HE, and once with Dwarves; several of the needed cities were gifted from me to the AI, btw.
    Last edited by Brewskin; February 24, 2012 at 12:56 PM. Reason: Edited because I finally can, retro repping coming up!

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    Default Re: Cannot achieve Arnor

    AI auto-forms Arnor at Turn 80. The requirements are far more relaxed for AI than for you.

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    Default Re: Cannot achieve Arnor

    The AI does not have any requirements, only that Eriador still is alive
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    Default Re: Cannot achieve Arnor

    Hmm, my last game(vanilla 3.1) the AI didn't form Arnor until around turn 130, not long after I had given them Athilin and Coldfells. Could tthe requirements have been changed to affect the AI also?

    I'm currently, and quite coincidentally, at turn 82 of a game as HE, and Eriador is currently short Athilin, Coldfells and Amon Sul, no Arnor as of yet. I'm just done wiping out the OotMM in an epic massive battle to gain the One Ring, and will be sending an expeditionary force to help Gandalf and co. shortly, after a bit of retraining.

    I'll send my scout over to Annuminas to keep an eye on progress there, and pass on what happens regarding Arnor's formation.

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    I looked it up in the campaign script. The AI needs to control Fornost, and after turn 90 there's a 10 % chance of a union
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    Default Re: Cannot achieve Arnor

    It used to be turn 80, 100% chance, and Bree, Annuminas and one other I forget needed to be held.

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    Thanks Mhaedros!

    That would explain last night's session, Arnor reformed on turn 99, right before I declared war on OoG. Pop. in Annuminas was less than 9500, no governor, and zero growth.

    And IIRC, in the previous game they had just retaken Fornost right before they Arnor-ised.

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    Strange thing happened .. it allowed me to upgrade even though I didn't reach the magical 26000. i suspect there's a stript hat checks if population stops growing.

    Didn't actually change anything, I got Hall of kings but no Arnor, I must have been missing something. Then Rhun declared victory! i spent most of my time and money trying to keep Gondor and Rohan alive! but failed in the end ....

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