Playing as S.P.Q.R in RTW 1.2

[ShapolioKhan]

hi brothers,

i am playing RTW 1.2 and trying to remove julii, brutii and scipii and want to play as spqr.

if i give all familes' cities to Senate, i can play the game, but i wanna make those cities (Arettium, Ariminum Capua, etc.) Rebel cities and wanna conquer them 1 by 1. but if i do this (give cities to rebels) when i send my army through the city, game crashes to desktop without any warning. (i mean i cant even see the city)

does anyone have any idea?

thanks a lot...

P.S. as a clue, if i set to play with Julii (Rome is the only city, other roman cities are rebels')
i can move and conquer former Julii cities. (e.g. Ariminum and Arretrium) but i cant move to Capua, when my army starts to walk through Campania territory, game CTD error

[Lusted]

Make sure the faction creator of those settlements is set to a faction still inagme, like the senate if you have removed the other roman families.

[ShapolioKhan]

tried but didnt work..
if i give those settlements to another factions (e.g. aretrium and ariminum to gaul and capua,tarentium and croton to greeks) game works, if i make those cities rebel, game CTD..
couldnt solve it yet...

[Dominus]

copy all the ciites over to the rebels. Dleet the entyr in julii or whatever it is. Now just leave

;character Titus Antonius, named character, leader, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 52, , x 91, y 80
;traits GoodCommander 1, NaturalMilitarySkill 1, GoodAttacker 1, PoliticsSkill 2, Intelligent 1
;ancillaries drillmaster
;army
;unit aor italy cavalry general exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
;
;character_record Galla, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 50, alive, never_a_leader
;
;relative Titus Antonius, Galla, end

that in brutii and for scipii:

;
;character_record Metella, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 52, alive, never_a_leader
;
;relative Publius Caelius, Metella, end
;

For julii smae thing as wlel.

[Dominicus of Byzantium]

That includes RTR units you know...

[Dominus]

oops just get rid of the aor cavalry general thing

[Lusted]

No, i didn't mean give the cities to another faction, i meant edit this line for all the cities:

settlement
{
level large_town
region Umbria

year_founded 0
population 3500
plan_set default_set
faction_creator romans_julii <<<<<<<<<<<<<THIS ONE
building
{
type barracks muster_field
}
building
{
type core_building governors_villa
}
building
{
type defenses wooden_pallisade
}
building
{
type hinterland_roads roads
}
building
{
type hinterland_farms farms
}
}

If the faction creator faction isn't in the campaign the game will CTD, just change that line to romans_senate for all the settlements, and edit descr_regions.txt so this change is made there as well.

[ShapolioKhan]

edited descr_strat and desr_regions.
again didnt work
anyone any other ideas?

[Lusted]

Have you removed the superfaction senate lines from the other roman families?

[ShapolioKhan]

u mean in descr_strat.txt?

i deleted everything about julii, scipii and brutii, right after i transfered their cities under rebels' cities.

[makanyane]

Always assumed senate was buggy, just found this in
http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...ht=play+senate

Originally posted by Captain Fishpants(CA guy)
Despite appearances the Senate is not a faction like any other, or intended to be playable. The Senate is as much a scoring mechanism and a mission generator as it is a faction, so don't be surprised if the game goes loopy when you play as the Senate.

The Senate is actually doing a bunch of stuff in monitoring Roman attitudes that the other factions don't do, and modding the game to make them playable renders the whole thing very unstable: basically, the game will crash sooner or later.

Unless anyone else can point to a mod where using them works I'd suggest going normal unified rome route and keeping only julii but give them spqr units / banners.

Crash when you're moving into provinces sounds like it's crashing due to having regions.txt rebels that are sub-factions of factions no longer in game, re: your julii example, default for Capua is Campanians which in descr_rebel_factions has:

rebel_type Campanians //romans_scipii

whereas the other cities you mentioned have default rebels that relate to only //romans.

spqr may not, for this purpose, actually count as roman faction - when you give cities in descr_strat to rebels try changing faction creator to something non-roman (pos gauls) and also putting that faction as default faction in regions.txt and a related rebel sub-faction as the default rebel in regions.txt

ie, pos:

Campania
Capua
gauls
Galatians
198 13 174
wine, slaves, dogs, pigs, italy
5
9

[ShapolioKhan]

thanks for helping